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[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 59 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

Is it too much to ask for the days when my system was nothing but a prompt in which I may or may not type "startx"?

[–] mkwt@lemmy.world 20 points 2 weeks ago

That's what I've got (on Gentoo).

[–] qjkxbmwvz@startrek.website 7 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I always ran startx & exit to prevent someone from VT switching to a logged in console if my screen was locked :)

[–] LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Hah that's what I always had on Debian on my laptop back in the version 9 days (buster?). Nothing's stopping you from doing it now with runlevels. I think with systemd it's just systemctl set-default multiuser.target

You can then always get the full boot with systemctl isolate graphical.target

Might not be the exact command but it's something like that for sure.

[–] JATtho@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The default systemd target to boot into can be overriden from the kernel command line.

If the GUI ever gets broken, having a such fallback boot entry just for the (VT) console mode is invaluable. (The boot-entry can reuse the same kernel and initrd images from the regular boot.)

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[–] qjkxbmwvz@startrek.website 3 points 2 weeks ago

Been a while but isn't that very insecure? Gotta run startx & exit ;)

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[–] Churbleyimyam@lemm.ee 47 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

I'm at the point in my Linux journey where I have settled into a stable system, configured 99.9% how I want it. Seeing diminishing returns on effort put into tweaking it. But I just keep looking at window managers. I have people who need me in the world but I just can't stop looking at them. I don't know what to do.

[–] cygnus@lemmy.ca 31 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Every year or so I fire up a VM, install a window manager on it, realize I have no idea WTF I'm doing, and nuke the VM and go back to my regular KDE desktop.

[–] 299792458ms@lemmy.zip 15 points 2 weeks ago

Do not worry I'm daily driving a window manager and still do not know what I'm doing.

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[–] Ghoelian@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 2 weeks ago

I used to do the same, but recently I've found a dustro and window manager that just work for me. The distro is Fedora atomic, and the window manager is sway.

I pretty much just used a floating window manager like a tiling one, almost always snapping them to 1/2 or 1/3 of the screen. Eventually I tried sway, and after learning some of the shortcuts, it seems like the perfect window manager for someone like me.

[–] OR3X@lemm.ee 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm in the same boat so I started getting my "tweaking" fix by making my own themes. Just got my first cursor theme working and it's awesome!

[–] Churbleyimyam@lemm.ee 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Sweet! I've experimented with installing a few bits from gnome look but haven't made any of my own. How difficult is it? I've managed to theme my favourite terminal applications though. A big part of my satisfaction is based on feeling, a large part of which is visual. Diehard instrumentalists may look down on me for it but I am unashamed and not alone.

[–] OR3X@lemm.ee 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Honestly, it's way more convoluted and frustrating than it has any right to be. The only tools I found were cursor-toolbox which allows you to convert SVG templates to the correct set of PNGs and xcursorgen which converts the PNGs to actual cursor files. It took me several tries just get a working cursor set. Then I spent much much longer actually drawing and tweaking my theme using inkscape. It was certainly rewarding to get it working though. Now I smile every time I see the little "busy" animation.

[–] Churbleyimyam@lemm.ee 2 points 2 weeks ago

You are a true martyr my friend and I feel you!

[–] Rozauhtuno@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 weeks ago

Same. The temptation is strong but I don't know if it'll be worth the time and effort when Xfce already works fine for me.

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[–] nichtburningturtle 43 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Don't forget to switch your wm atleast once a year for no reason.

[–] 299792458ms@lemmy.zip 27 points 2 weeks ago

that is just barbaric, you should do it at least once a month.

[–] qjkxbmwvz@startrek.website 9 points 2 weeks ago

I did all of grad school with i3wm. And I spent a very, very long time in grad school...

[–] cizra@lemm.ee 25 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)
[–] 299792458ms@lemmy.zip 10 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

I love Sway, but Hyprland's special workspace thing is just so damn good.

[–] PedroG14@lemmy.ml 12 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Meh, hyprland devs and community are known for being toxic, specially with minorities. Can't use because of this :/

[–] MultipleAnimals@sopuli.xyz 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I don't see the toxicness on my desktop

[–] ulterno@lemmy.kde.social 2 points 2 weeks ago

toxicness

toxicity

You will feel it when you play "Cities: Skylines" without the "Green City" DLC, for long enough.

[–] qck@lemmy.wtf 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

How is it relevant to using the wm in your desktop?

[–] PedroG14@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 weeks ago

I just don't want to feel complacent to the devs and the community actions.

[–] PedroG14@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I also love sway's default key bindings, so there one more point keeping me on it

[–] Sonotsugipaa@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yeah but Hyprland window groups tend to eat each other with the dwindle layout

[–] 299792458ms@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

what do you mean by eat each other?

[–] Sonotsugipaa@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

If you have two groups, and you accidentally start dragging a window (assuming you use the mouse at all, which I do) Hyprland will drag the entire group and merge it with the one it's hovering.

Now, imagine someone coming from Sway, who is used to rearranging individual windows by simply dragging them around without having to explicitly move them out of containers...

[–] Eyck_of_denesle@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Hyprland wiki has detailed config options for this

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[–] TruePe4rl@lemmy.ml 17 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

well, i3 never failed me, compared to a bit buggy kde experience

[–] 299792458ms@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

i3 took my wm virginity and it was great

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[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

As someone that pretty much had to use WMs before full DEs came out: fuck WMs.

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[–] QuizzaciousOtter@lemm.ee 9 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

I can't go back from a tiling WM but I would actually prefer to use a DE nowadays. I seriously hope that COSMIC will be able to fill that gap between the two.

[–] quissberry@lemmy.cafe 4 points 2 weeks ago

Also, the fact that you can edit COSMIC through config files is a game changer. Although I don't really like the tiling layout style, sometimes I want something easy to setup like GNOME but with good autotiling

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[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I'll just stick with mostly stock gnome

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[–] mysticpickle@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 weeks ago

This meme would work better if that banana didn't look like it yearned for the sweet release of death in banana bread.

[–] slacktoid@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 weeks ago

I just like my keyboard shortcuts and easy configurations. But.. Kdewayland and pipewire is just so easy.

[–] zeppo@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I started using WindowMaker to n an old laptop that was mainly for playing music and I ended up loving it. It kinda reminds me of using an Amiga. Super fast to start, lightweight in terms of ram, and does everything I need. I like the squishy luxuries of KDE sometimes but it’s been a little over complicated since KDE 4.

[–] Sir_Simon_Spamalot@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

Hey, KDE's been keeping things more lightweight since version 5!

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[–] Zozano@lemy.lol 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I've been kind of interested in a tiling wm for a while now, but I want to see a demo of someone who has really spent the time of fully utilising its true power. Does anyone have a recommended video for something like that?

[–] 299792458ms@lemmy.zip 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Unfortunately I do not have one of those videos, my experience with youtubers is that usually they do not go in depth.

The most powerful wm's can be the ones based in tags(instead of workspaces) like dwm and riverwm, but they are conceptually harder to wrap your head around them and can be of higher cognitive effort than regular workspace wms.

Window managers potential varies and even more so with your personal workflow. I would suggest checking the window manager for:

  • tag/workspace based
  • window tags(for workspace based)
  • window/workspace/tag movement
  • layouts
  • window tab/group
  • input support
  • output support
  • decorations

The most important ones are workflow related because you cam always have a hotkey daemon running if the wm's input support isn't as good.

Here are my dotfiles, none of those wm configs use all features but you get the idea.

[–] jaxxed@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Have you tried niri yet? What about river?

[–] 299792458ms@lemmy.zip 6 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

I have tried both of them. They are both powerful on their own respect. Niri is still on its early days so things like floating window are a work in progress (last time I checked), but things like its window management is great if you can set up nice keybinds for the multitude of actions available and its scrolling behaviour works like a charm on laptops. Niri also has a configuration file validator that you can use before restarting Niri which is genius! One thing you might hate or love is the dynamic workspaces, workspaces are moved/renamed so that they are consecutive. So if you had four occupied workspaces ( 1 through 4) and clear workspace 3 now you would have three consecutive workspaces (1 through 3) effectively making workspace 4 now be workspace 3.

River is super fast because of how minimal it is plus it has some nice community layouts available to suit your taste better. Also the tag window management can be the fastest out there but can become hard if not set up properly. It was to cool and all but I feel it is more for power users and it totally overwhelmed me when I tried to set up stuff to set tags for windows and move them around monitors (and that when you move a window to a monitor it does not keep focus on it). The way I use Sway and Hyprland is to set workspaces for different monitors and it just feels easy for me to move windows around focusing(or not) the destined workspace. I think the best feature of River is to toggle any window on your focused tag, it really feels like magic.

Hope that helps.

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[–] Atlas48@ttrpg.network 2 points 2 weeks ago

I just use whatever's in the box.

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