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[–] bus_factor@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Norway doesn't have a minimum wage because the unions don't want one. They believe having a set minimum wage sets a low anchor for negotiating, and that they can negotiate higher wages without one.

Select industries do have a minimum wage for their specific field, though. And there's a legal minimum you must pay teens working in summer internships, because they're not unionized and often get lowballed.

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 0 points 11 months ago

This is probably gonna bite them in a long run when neoliberalism will chew through union power.

[–] GCostanzaStepOnMe@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago

Leftist memes be like

[–] Chunk@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Okay all you commies get ready for politics 101

First don't rely on morals to make your argument. It, unfortunately, does not change capitalist minds.

Second, frame your argument in capitalist rhetoric. For example you can say, "UBI is important to stimulate the economy by enabling Low-Income-Americans to spend more on essentials."

Seriously, not joking, this is how you change people's minds.

[–] Killing_Spark@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago

The argument "you don't need ubi in a non-capitalist world" doesn't work in a capitalist framing

[–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

UBI is kind of cool but it has some massive flaws. For example: Landlords and groceries can just raise prices to bring the cost of living up and since there are no rent/price controls (because "that would be communism") we'll be right back to where we started. What you want is Universal Basic Services. Anything you need to live is free. Literally impossible for anyone to game that system and equally impossible for people to slip through the gaps, but it's also never going to happen because "that would be communism"

So yeah this is why capitalism has go to, because any attempt at actually making a just and fair society will be dismissed as "being communism"

[–] Holzkohlen@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago

We should get rid of landlords either way of course. Don't even need UBI for that. Also get rid of billionaires.

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Landlords and groceries can just raise prices to bring the cost of living up

Sigh. People make this braindead argument every single time this subject comes up. No they can't. Markets do not work that way. It's literally just a repackaged argument against minimum wage and it has been thoroughly debunked in that context.

[–] Johanno@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago

So you want to tell me that companies aren't buying out competition and with a monopoly they then rise prises as they want?

Explain to me how markets work if the only company selling or renting houses is not lowering their price when demand lowers? Or when they intentionally are not renting flats in order to keep demand high?