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[–] dojan@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

You can still have trees and plant life in low density housing. You don’t need green deserts everywhere.

[–] ladam@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Yeah fuck lawns too, they aren’t meant to exist

[–] whitecapstromgard@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The one on the left has no communal space. The one on the right does.

[–] dojan@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't really care. As a lifelong apartment dweller; I hate people and want nothing to do with them. Get me a house far away from civilisation and I'll be happy. Communal space, my arsehole.

[–] rexxit@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is the insanity of people who advocate for densified housing, IMO. I loathe apartments and attached dwellings. It's like a dystopian future where you can't own anything or have private space. If I never have to share a wall or floor with someone again, it will be too soon.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It’s like a dystopian future where you can’t own anything or have private space.

That's our dystopian, low-density present.

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[–] Tropic420@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But you still need way more infrastructure for the Houses.

[–] Fried_out_Kombi@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Yup, tons more parking and tons more road space per capita as well. Low-density sprawl just needs a lot more stuff per capita.

[–] biofaust@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

Do you dare come say this here in Scandinavia please? FYI, you will suffer the date of Vigo the Carpathian, but I promis to erect a nice slab of stone for you.

[–] AdmiralShat@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago (5 children)

The issue is that all of those apartments are owned by one person getting filthy fucking rich from rent.

[–] 5714@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Then organise the renters, let them buy the house to transform it into syndicate or cooperative housing. Social apartment construction isn't impossible.

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[–] And009@reddthat.com 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Or everyone could plant trees instead of just grass?

[–] garden_boi@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago

Yes, this is important, too (see !nolawns@slrpnk.net). But no-lawns doesn't reduce car traffic, neither does it single-handedly create more walkable and public-transport-friendly communities. But you're right to notice that OP's meme doesn't make a compelling argument in itself.

[–] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

When I see the image what came to mind was that experiment where they had an overpopulation of rats in a cage and how all of the rats turned on each other and killed each other.

Too much human density is not good. You have to be sure to get the percentage of humans to a acre of land just right, to prevent the rats situation.

Nature is important, but Humanity moreso.

[–] rexxit@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

This is EXACTLY the kind of point I'm trying to make. Humans keep packing more and more into the same forever-growing cities and it makes the formerly-pleasant harsh, foreign, and unwelcoming.

There exist nice places that have balance - green spaces, slow pace of life, nice local restaurants, uncrowded trails, minimal traffic and short commutes.

Then they become discovered, become popular, and become overcrowded in a way that ruins what made them special to begin with. But they still look small to people from the big cities, who keep moving there. Now increasingly expensive, congested, and losing their original character, the urban zealots who invaded start screeching about cars, walkability, bikeability, and transit. It was perfectly bikeable, and there was no traffic before everyone tried to pile in.

The enemy is GROWTH, and OVERCROWDING, not single family homes and cars.

[–] akulium@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago

Both pictures are equally overcrowded though. And just getting rid of people is not really an option.

[–] Mojojojo1993@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sounds like a literal nightmare to me. No garden to enjoy. No vegetables. No privacy. No ability to get solar panels.

No room for improvement. Basement second levels. Changing plumbing windows etc. No ability to charge your ev.

Fuck is this some corporate bullshit

[–] Krachsterben@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

As someone who's lived in apartments since birth:

A lot of apartments in Europe have a communal garden, or you can simply rent a plot of garden nearby for larger projects, or use your balcony for small things like herbs.

Idk what you mean with plumbing windows/basement second levels but there would be an underground garage where you can charge your EV

You also don't rely as much on solar panels because apartments are already so much more energy efficient. They are cooler in summer and warmer in winter

[–] Mojojojo1993@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So buy more land and it's potentially a distance from your house. Communal gardens are good in theory but in practice they are far harder than just having a garden with a nice wee raised bed. Need some lettuce pop outside and get it. Unlikely you'll bus/walk drive to the communal to grab a few leaves of something.

There wouldn't be no. Maybe in more modern builds but all the flats I've rented have been 100s of years old. No ability to change interior and no luxury parking garage. Barely any parking.

If you own a house you can do what you want with it. Want to build a basement, crack on. Want to get double glazing, put in grey water. Sure. Can't do shit in a building without building getting involved.

Fuck knows where you've live but no. Maybe modern ones are but old ones are freezing in winter, poorly insulated and hod awful in summer.

[–] Krachsterben@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I'd rather live in a city or town with mixed use development, walkable neighbourhoods and functional public transport instead of suburbian nightmare pictured in #1.

There's also townhouses that are a good compromise between urban density and home ownership/garden usage while still being more energy efficient than standard family homes.

[–] 3l3s3@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Your username clearly indicates it is completely pointless for you (or me for that matter) to argue with this guy.

[–] Krachsterben@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hä was hat mein Username damit zu tun? :D Aber ja der Typ ist komplett durchgeknallt:D

[–] 3l3s3@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago

Du bist offenbar aus dem deutschsprachigen Raum und damit fast sicher aus einer zivilisierten Gegend.

[–] letsgocrazy@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If people had tree Icons in their gardens in the left image, it would look much better wouldn't it.

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