Israel doesn't seem particularly motivated to agree to a ceasefire since we keep guaranteeing unlimited support for their war mongering. Last time we were "close" they assassinated the leader of Hamas to kick off the peace process
this post was submitted on 17 Aug 2024
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Yeah. To elaborate on this, I can't really say where Hamas is on a ceasefire, because they've got new leadership. But I can say that Netanyahu and his cabinet have pretty much said that they'll only agree to a ceasefire on the condition that every member of Hamas turns themselves in the nearest IDF soldier for a summary execution. They've firmly rejected Biden's ceasefire proposal, and then whipped out their dicks and peed on it.
Biden could secure Israel's cooperation if he wanted to. They are completely dependent on us. But unless the breakthrough that Biden is thinking of is him remember that and then telling Bibi, I don't see what else changes. Netanyahu has firmly rejected this proposal over and over and over and made no indication that he's moved at all on this.
Also, if he did there is no real guarantee that Hamas will go along with it. They expressed willingness before... but that was under very different circumstances, under a totally different leader.
It was not biden proposal if i recall correctly. It was Israel proposal that they didn’t expect hamas to agree to and they back tracked. Hamas just announced they agree to it again, and to the UN ceasefire call to vaccinate kids.
The zaionst state will attempt to pre-long this and kill at least 50 civilian a day and destroy more homes.
I think it's somewhat of an academic point. I've heard it suggested that the proposal was drafted by the Israeli negotiation team (which I believe is led by the Mossad, Israel's intelligence agency). It's never been entirely clear whether they are on the same page as Netanyahu. It may have been a proposal largely drafted by Biden's team which he then tried to attribute to Israel as part of a weak pressure campaign, or it may have been a genuinely Isreali proposal in the sense that it was drafted by the negotiators. But the key element is that it despite what Biden or anyone else says, there was no point at which Netanyahu was willing to accept a ceasefire under the terms agreed to by Israeli negotiators.
It may be noteworthy because there is speculation that the army and intelligence services are increasingly dissatisfied following Netanyahu's orders. But there is no indication as far as I'm aware that they're prepared to do anything about it.
Hamas has said they agree to the ceasefire everyone agreed to before, the one supported by Biden, Israel, and approved by the UN, but Israel is looking to change it again (what's new) and they don't agree to any new conditions Israel is adding on. I can't blame them if they don't even humor these new "negotiations" by Israel. It's like Darth Vader and his "altered deal". It's obvious Israel keeps stalling at this point because they don't want the ceasefire. They just want the international community to think they're trying for one while they finish up their genocide so everyone stays off their back.
This is true, but we also need to be realistic about the fact that saying you support an agreement is never an actual guarantee that you'd support it if the other side agreed to sign.
Israel has repeatedly asserted that they supported a deal only to find one more small issue every time Hamas agreed. And it's important to be clear-eyed that we cannot really assume what Hamas will do if Israel finally agreed. I desperately hope that Sinwar recognizes that a ceasefire under any terms would be in his best interest. But this is a guy with his own vision of what success is, and leading after an assassination of Haneyeh. That's complicated. It's very hard to predict what someone in that situation will do.
I hope that what they say is true. I think acting as the more honorable party would be in their interest. But we need to recognize that until Netanyahu is forced to sign on the line, at this point we really don't know what to expect from Sinwar.
I wouldn't say a ceasefire under any terms is good. For example, a ceasefire only if they surrender all their weapons is actually worse if Israel continues to spread their settlements, killing Palestinians and pushing them out of their land. It would just speed up the genocide a little later. I think they're willing to give up a lot, but it must be tough to also consider things like that when you're put in that position.
You've gotta reset the relationship with Israel, or this headline is going to start working against you if you are the Biden (and Harris) administration.
Its obvious to me that they are using this as a chip against the chances of a Democrat being elected in 2024. So there are no options left for the administration if they keep treating Israel as if they are engaging in good faith.
Kamala saw a bump specifically because she represents an opportunity for a new way of things. Her MI/ WI chances are basically hinging on this specific issues. The Administration can either withhold arms from Israel (as MANY administrations have done REPEATEDLY in the past) or hand the election to Trump.
Wait… didn’t Jared Kushner solve the Middle East a couple years ago?
Yeah he did so well the Saudis gave him a couple billion to manage /s
Just wake mw up when it happen
just like fusion power and a space elevator; always a week away.
The only thing Biden could push is a zimmer frame.