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[–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago (4 children)

I feel it's equally important to point ot that Torvalds recognized his toxic behavior, apologized for it, and took steps to rectify it.

In an email to the Linux Kernel Mailing List, which also addresses the kernel update of Linux 4.19-rc4, Torvalds writes: "I need to change some of my behavior, and I want to apologize to the people that my personal behavior hurt and possibly drove away from kernel development entirely."

"I am going to take time off and get some assistance on how to understand people's emotions and respond appropriately."

[–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 2 points 10 months ago (7 children)

Yeah, shouting at your subordinates in public is utter bullshit.

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[–] Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 months ago

That was seriously admirable. From memory he actually did improve quite a lot after that as well.

[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 1 points 10 months ago

I'm really glad you added this, that was pretty awful to read.

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[–] hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 10 months ago (42 children)

Not going to touch the general toxicity as it's something Linus has already apologized and worked through with professional help, but I love the attitude when it comes to responsibility.
Far too often it's easier to blame someone else for error.

"No this is our problem, and I'm ashamed you're trying to blame someone else for it" is respectable take

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[–] InEnduringGrowStrong@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

So I recently had a conversation with some who though Linus Torvalds (kernel) and Linus Sebastian (Linus Tech Tips) was the same person.
That was a pretty funny and confusing conversation.

[–] properlypurple@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 10 months ago

Imagine Torwalds doing reviews of old CPU coolers and completely losing his shit 🤣🤣🤣

[–] computerscientistI@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago

I wonder if the guys here who are moaning like the snowflakes they are about Linus' way of conveying the message (not the message itself) are from the US? I sometimes really wonder about the US mindset. The boss is critisizing you justifyably but in an inadequate tone? Hell breaks lose. But as an employee insisting on healthcare, an adequate number of days on paid time off, unionazing or at least have an able workers' representation? Nah, that's unheard of.

How about having some priorities? Grow a pair and chose your battles more wisely. The boss criticizes you? If he's right, own up to your mistakes. Want some rights you are actually entitled to? Yeah, that's what you fight for.

[–] veni_vedi_veni@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Ugh, having been on the receiving end, this type of belittlement is the worst, and breeds resentment, factionalism, and a host of other toxic elements in the workplace.

Irrespective of the validity of his critique, prima donna developers are the worst and I would start looking for jobs elsewhere because programming is already stressful enough, don't want to start worrying about the people.

[–] TheBlue22@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 10 months ago (10 children)

Like, I get how it's funny, but I would hate to get this kind of shit from someone I respect. Would really mess me up, personally

[–] caseyweederman@lemmy.ca 1 points 10 months ago

So publicly, too. People have quit over it.

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[–] 1984@lemmy.today 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Absolutely awful shit and I would be ashamed for decades if I acted like this to another person.

Really shows the worst of him here. It's rare that he becomes this toxic and humiliating.

[–] mindlight@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago

I agree. In a leadership role it's one thing what you say to a person in front of others and a completely different thing what you say when alone with them....

[–] cows_are_underrated@feddit.de 0 points 10 months ago

Damn that was probably very hard to read for Mauro. This is something you never want to receive as Mail in your job. On the other hand it is good that Linux priorities fixing the kernel instead of letting other developers fix your code.

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