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[–] grue@lemmy.world 55 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 12 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

If the product is as unethical as mass ip theft and replacement of workers with ethics or comprehension skills, then I get the feeling expectations aren't the major issue.

[–] kata1yst@sh.itjust.works 31 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

There are many ML/AI models that are doing a lot more good than harm. The shitty mass market chat bots and art generators are mostly hype and greed.

But Mathematics, physics, healthcare, and many other industries have embraced models that accomplish amazing things humans with similar resources just could not.

It's a problem of application.

[–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 15 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Sure, and I thank you for the clarification, but the AI in this context seemed pretty clearly the mainstream LLM products.

[–] kata1yst@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 weeks ago

Entirely fair.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

mass ip theft

That's not a thing, both because "IP" is dishonest loaded language and because copyright infringement is different from theft.

I 1000% agree that what they've done is completely unethical -- particularly because including copyleft works in the training data ought to require every single output to be copyleft -- but I do not concede to your framing.

[–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Copyright*

They're using the works of others for commercial gain without permission. There is no world where that isn't a clear violation.

[–] grue@lemmy.world -2 points 3 weeks ago

Thank you; that's all I wanted. Rhetorical framing is important.

[–] blandfordforever@lemm.ee 28 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Whatever. I just used a.i. to write my performance evaluation at work. I fed it a bunch of garbled, incoherent nonsense and made me sound productive AF.

[–] 9point6@lemmy.world 21 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

And whoever received your review probably fed it into a chat bot to summarise.

There's an inefficiency here....

[–] Gsus4@mander.xyz 12 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] PiJiNWiNg@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] Gsus4@mander.xyz 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

true, even nonbullshit jobs have a load of bullshit tasks now.

[–] SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world 24 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

That was to be expected. It's not the answer to everything and has inherent limitations that can't be solved quickly by throwing money at it.

The problem is that so much money is tied up in this. It has been pushing up the stock market. People have been fired because AI was going to take over the job. The fallout from that is going to be painful. Dot com crash like, maybe subprime mortgage crash painful.

[–] MajorHavoc@programming.dev 13 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

There fallout from that is going to be painful. Dot com crash like, maybe subprime mortgage crash painful.

Yep. And folks on the news are gonna be all confused how this could happen.

They laid off their talent to bet on bullshit. That's how it happened.

[–] originalfrozenbanana@lemm.ee 18 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)
[–] orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts 24 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 17 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

[Off-topic] the name of your instance is awesome.

[–] orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts 2 points 3 weeks ago

Thanks! It was funny buying the domain enjoying.yachts since I don’t own nor will ever own a yacht.

[–] anarchrist@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 weeks ago

My bad I thought this was The Hanker News: it's way more hank than this.

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 3 weeks ago

What's disturbing to me is this:

Coworker: There's a study in Denmark where they were able to train ten penguins to do clerical work. Three of them make as few errors as humans.

Upper Manager Excellent. Lay off the entire office staff and find us four-hundred penguins.