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Google ramps up its campaign against ad blockers on Chrome.

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[–] YourPrivatHater@ani.social 16 points 4 weeks ago
[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 16 points 4 weeks ago

I remember how excited I was when google released a browser. They've become such a joke since then.

[–] Boomkop3@reddthat.com 8 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

I have a copy backed up, works fine when loaded manually

[–] FeelzGoodMan420@eviltoast.org 26 points 4 weeks ago (3 children)

Why wouldn't you just use something like Firefox? Why the actual fuck would you opt to continue using Chrome?

[–] mke@lemmy.world 8 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

They might simply prefer it, or be in an environment where they have no choice (e.g. office, education).

I'm a stubborn Firefox user but I have to say, this feels a little aggressive and not at all likely to convince anyone to switch.

[–] FeelzGoodMan420@eviltoast.org 5 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

So you're saying they'd be allowed to sideload a discontinued chrome extension onto their work laptop but not allowed to download another legitimate browser? Yea....not buying it. Same with an educational setting. Pretty sure the person I reaponded to just simply is used to Chrome and doesn't want change (which I do understand.)

[–] Boomkop3@reddthat.com 1 points 3 weeks ago

I stripped it from all google crap, extra features, etc. Then the features I want I added in using an extension I wrote and maintain myself

[–] mintdaniel42@futurology.today 0 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Why would you use a browser like firefox when you could use brave which has built in ad blocks which firefox has not

[–] Sas@beehaw.org 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Because ublock origin is like 2 clicks and doesn't need a cryptobro chromium browser

[–] mintdaniel42@futurology.today 1 points 3 weeks ago

I prefer to have a "cryptobro" chromium browser that not only supports five html and js features but is actually leading in html 5 support and not lacking 2 years behind

[–] kakito69@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

You realize that Brave is Chromium and the „built in Adblock” is renamed ublock origin?

[–] mintdaniel42@futurology.today 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Yes I know that but firefox is lacking features. An old chromium browser on mobile has the same amount of points in benchmarks as the newest firefox on desktop

[–] Psychodelic@lemmy.world 4 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (2 children)

Noice. I'm sure there's mirrors up already. Article says it'll eventually stop working tho. I know I have a few extensions that eventually were disabled daily and I had to enable them each time I started chrome

This might be what makes he leave for Firefox full time. A bummer indeed

Edit: ha, just saw what sub/community this is. I use FF but only for browsing... privately ;]

[–] FeelzGoodMan420@eviltoast.org 7 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

Why not just use Firefox all the time? Literally zero reason to use Chrome except for the rare website that doesn't work with Firefox?

[–] Fitik@fedia.io 3 points 4 weeks ago (4 children)

I can understand them, I use Firefox on my PC, but Chrome on my phone, as I can't live without tab groups there, for me it's almost unusable without it, as I always have 100+ tabs open on my mobile browser

When they'll add it, I'll use Firefox on both

[–] petrescatraian@mstdn.ro 2 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

@Fitik@fedia.io Have you tried using Firefox Multi-account containers for this purpose?

@Boomkop3@reddthat.com @Psychodelic@lemmy.world @FeelzGoodMan420@eviltoast.org

[–] Boomkop3@reddthat.com 2 points 3 weeks ago

Yo that's handy! No I've just been using chrome profiles

[–] Psychodelic@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

That's a great feature!

[–] Vincent@feddit.nl 2 points 3 weeks ago

Should be coming up, so that's good news 🙂

[–] Shihali@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I use the extension Simple Tab Groups for Firefox.

[–] Fitik@fedia.io 1 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

@Shihali@sh.itjust.works It's not on Android sadly

@Boomkop3@reddthat.com @Psychodelic@lemmy.world @FeelzGoodMan420@eviltoast.org

[–] Boomkop3@reddthat.com 1 points 3 weeks ago

kiwi browser takes files in Dev mode just like chrome

[–] mke@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

You can probably force it to be by using a custom extension list, but the result might not be functional or pretty to look at.

[–] FeelzGoodMan420@eviltoast.org 1 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

You do realize that bookmarks exist, right?

[–] mke@lemmy.world 5 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Using bookmarks as a substitute for tab groups is a very different user experience, though.

[–] FeelzGoodMan420@eviltoast.org 1 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

But you can make folders in bookmarks....is this not the same thing?

[–] mke@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

I don't think so. As far as context switching goes, tab groups are faster and, having used both Chrome's tab groups and Firefox's bookmarks, I'd argue they're easier to manage too.

The way I see it, each feature has different intended uses. Ideally, I wouldn't use tab groups as a bookmarks substitute either... but sometimes it happens due to their advantages.

[–] FeelzGoodMan420@eviltoast.org 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Is Google's similar to grouping android apps into clusters?

[–] mke@lemmy.world 1 points 14 hours ago

I'm not sure what exactly you're talking about.

This article—which I haven't read—has a screenshot of mobile Google Chrome tab grouping. Hopefully this'll help.

[–] Fitik@fedia.io 1 points 3 weeks ago

@FeelzGoodMan420@eviltoast.org Not really, I use bookmarks too, but I need tab groups for organizing active tabs, not closed ones

@Boomkop3@reddthat.com @Psychodelic@lemmy.world @mke@lemmy.world

[–] Psychodelic@lemmy.world 1 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

I mean, they are different so it is totally possible for someone to like one over the other, and that's aside from the very simple reason of being used to it and/or not wanting to copy everything over like, passwords, payment methods, bookmarks, extensions (most important reason for me), etc.

I honestly just keep think I'll eventually switch permanently when Google forces me to. It's the same reason I'm here; reddit forced my hand. I'm equally waiting for Microsoft to force me to switch to Linux.

Also, typing that out, I do realize this isn't a great mentality to have (I'm being forced to do x) but maybe that's just the result of building my castle in foreign kingdoms. It's basically damage control out here! lol

[–] FeelzGoodMan420@eviltoast.org 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

If you aren't motivated at this point to switch to Firefox (or at least away from Chrome) then you never will be. I just don't understand man. I really don't.

[–] Psychodelic@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I mean, would there really be a difference in the data they're collecting on me, assuming that's your main concern?

I use an android phone which includes: android pay, youtube music/premium, maps and whatnot. Trying to keep my most sensitive data out of their hands honestly seems impossible at this point. I guess I just don't really see the benefit. That said, blocking ads would of course be significant enough of an issue for me to make a change. But, as of earlier in the week, everything still worked fine (I think)

Really tho, I barely use my PC to browse the web for fun anymore - just the odd gaming sesh and the Plex server for mom. It's kinda depressing to think about, tbh

[–] FeelzGoodMan420@eviltoast.org 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

I can only assume that firefox on andoid OS (set up properly) collects less data about your browsing history vs. Chrome on android OS. So I'd say you would at least be giving less browsing data to Google. But in this case I just cannot imagine browsing the web without a fully functional ublock origin. I get that it still works on Chrome, but it won't soon.

[–] Psychodelic@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Well for ads I use DNS66. It works pretty well and even blocks ads in most apps and games. It basically makes some free apps feel like the premium version

[–] FeelzGoodMan420@eviltoast.org 2 points 3 weeks ago

Have you ever tried using a pihole? That works very well too.

[–] Boomkop3@reddthat.com 2 points 3 weeks ago

Yea, I'll have to switch eventually. But let's hope the manifest v2 is not too difficult to put back in

[–] DrSleepless@lemmy.world 6 points 4 weeks ago

Fuck google. Bring back infoseek

[–] LucidNightmare@lemm.ee 4 points 3 weeks ago

I’ll just say it.

People that continue to use chrome, and all of its little forks like Brave and Edge, are the reason why corpos are winning and making the internet worse off in the long run.

I’ve been using Firefox since I was a kid 20 FUCKING YEARS AGO. Not ONCE have I went to another browser for anything, and I look shit up constantly, pay my bills through Firefox, and everything between the two.

Stop making excuses, and just use ANYTHING other than fucking CHROME. I don’t care if it’s safari, ladybird, or fucking internet explorer. Just stop using a browser that is built by an ad company masquerading as a fucking tech company.

Jesus.

[–] frankgrimeszz@lemmy.world 3 points 4 weeks ago
[–] orcrist@lemm.ee 3 points 3 weeks ago

I like it when the garbage identifies itself openly. We don't need Chrome, but Chrome needs us.

[–] Technofrood@feddit.uk 3 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

The transition to the Manifest V3 framework means extensions like uBlock Origin can't use remotely hosted code. According to Google, it "presents security risks by allowing unreviewed code to be executed in extensions." The new policy changes will only allow an extension to execute JavaScript as part of its package.

Is this a badly worded paragraph, but is uBlock Origin really using remotely hosted code? I thought it was a different restriction in manifest V3 that stops as blockers being effective.

[–] unrushed233@lemmings.world 12 points 4 weeks ago

Is this a badly worded paragraph, but is uBlock Origin really using remotely hosted code? I thought it was a different restriction in manifest V3 that stops as blockers being effective.

I think it kinda is badly worded, and it refers to code/data that is dynamically loaded by an extension, after it's installed by the user, which uBlock Origin does use for filter lists. They can't be bundled with the extension, because they get out of date really quickly and often need to get updated, so uBlock Origin just downloads a new blocklist and saves it in its cache. MV3 wants to prohibit this, making adblockers almost useless. Updating the extension every time there is an update to one of uBlock's many blocklists just isn't feasible. I think they can also hold back updates to the extension in the Chrome Web Store, which they might to if a blocklist starts to include something Google doesn't like (e.g. YouTube ads). All of this is just a shitshow and people should switch to better browsers with actual API compatibility for purposes like adblocking. The best examples are Firefox and LibreWolf.

[–] BakedCatboy@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 weeks ago

I think Google might just be calling block lists "externally hosted code". As I understand it, there are several restrictions: the severe limitation on the number of rules, the requirement to bundle rules with the addon (and the associated delay due to extension store review), and the loss of many advanced rule types that change blocking behavior based on different factors in order to avoid detection and otherwise be effective.

The ublock FAQ has some interesting details too: https://github.com/uBlockOrigin/uBOL-home/wiki/Frequently-asked-questions-(FAQ)#filtering-capabilities-which-cant-be-ported-to-mv3