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[–] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 84 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Them politicians are soo out of touch

Reads headline again

Wait, what the hell? Really? Should I start being optimistic again?

[–] AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee 33 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

Kamala might actually make some progress on the symptoms of capitalism, but she'll never stop the root cause. Best case scenario is things are less bad for 4 or 8 years than they could be.

We need a socialist president, not a liberal.

[–] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 22 points 3 months ago (1 children)

No probably not. But let’s at Bernie was president.

He would work in the confides of capitalism but there is another win:

A progress president would open the conversation to move further towards socialism.

Americans first need to stop fearing socialism, and imo Kamala might help a little with that. I’m not holding my breath though

[–] AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee 18 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Exactly my point. We might have "conversations" for a few years, then we'll go right back towards moving to the right. Just like what happened with Obama. Just like what happened with Clinton.

[–] nomous@lemmy.world 18 points 3 months ago

Nobody said it would be easy, it's taken the right wing almost 7 decades to forge their alliance with Christian fundamentalists. I don't expect The Left to be able to enact massive change in any less time if they're even able to mobilize.

Even a best case scenario of 8 years of Harris and then 8 years of Walz could only be the beginning of unfucking what The Heritage Foundation and Reaganomics and trickle-down lies have done over the last half century.

[–] andrewth09@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Baby steps. If things are less bad for 4 or 8 years, progressive policies become more palatable for people. This gets you closer to your ideal state.

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[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

We need a socialist president, not a liberal.

Ok, but it's not gonna happen.

[–] StupidBrotherInLaw@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Ok, but it's not gonna happen.

Certainly not with that attitude.

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 10 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

The way you change things is to start at the bottom. If it were even possible to get a socialist president, they're be incredibly unpopular, and they'd have a very hard time working with Congress. We need to be playing the long game like conservatives did, building up from local office like school boards.

[–] MutilationWave@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

So the people of the UK had to have universal healthcare rammed down their throats. I don't remember the stats but it was extremely unpopular. Turns out they loved it. Now if someone campaigned on privatizing the NHS they'd be laughed out of the room.

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[–] ShepherdPie@midwest.social 12 points 3 months ago (2 children)

The day a neoliberal actually follows through on their working class election promises is the day that pigs fly. They just tell us this stuff because they know it's what we want to hear and will get them elected. After the election, 'priorities' always change and they'll suddenly be telling us why they absolutely have to give a bailout to some company like Comcast because it's best for America. I have a bit more optimism from someone like her than Biden, but I have no faith in the party or it's leadership.

[–] a9cx34udP4ZZ0@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Go back to mother Russia. Just off the top of my head with 30 seconds of thinking about it and no research:

Obama: Implemented "Obamacare" allowing millions of Americans with pre-existing conditions to get affordable healthcare for the first time.

Biden: Limits on predatory interest rates across the board. Limited Insulin prices.

Both of them have actively gone after people and businesses ripping of medicare which universally helps the working class through better care and lower taxes.

But sure, they've done NOTHING for the working class.

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[–] MyOpinion@lemm.ee 83 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 40 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Smack childcare on there and I think it covers what most all of working people need relief from.

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 35 points 3 months ago

You mean rather than tax cuts that are supposedly to benefit people too poor to pay taxes?

[–] Eggyhead@fedia.io 21 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I was literally talking about housing costs with my wife on our walk back from the grocery store not 30m before stumbling across this post.

[–] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 11 points 3 months ago (4 children)

And totally ignoring Healthcare!?

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[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 3 months ago

First article I’ve seen where her photo wasn’t a big smile. At least since Biden dropped out.

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