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[–] AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee 33 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

Kamala might actually make some progress on the symptoms of capitalism, but she'll never stop the root cause. Best case scenario is things are less bad for 4 or 8 years than they could be.

We need a socialist president, not a liberal.

[–] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 22 points 3 months ago (1 children)

No probably not. But let’s at Bernie was president.

He would work in the confides of capitalism but there is another win:

A progress president would open the conversation to move further towards socialism.

Americans first need to stop fearing socialism, and imo Kamala might help a little with that. I’m not holding my breath though

[–] AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee 18 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Exactly my point. We might have "conversations" for a few years, then we'll go right back towards moving to the right. Just like what happened with Obama. Just like what happened with Clinton.

[–] nomous@lemmy.world 18 points 3 months ago

Nobody said it would be easy, it's taken the right wing almost 7 decades to forge their alliance with Christian fundamentalists. I don't expect The Left to be able to enact massive change in any less time if they're even able to mobilize.

Even a best case scenario of 8 years of Harris and then 8 years of Walz could only be the beginning of unfucking what The Heritage Foundation and Reaganomics and trickle-down lies have done over the last half century.

[–] andrewth09@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Baby steps. If things are less bad for 4 or 8 years, progressive policies become more palatable for people. This gets you closer to your ideal state.

[–] AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee 1 points 3 months ago

Obama didn't get us closer, we're further now than before he was elected

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

We need a socialist president, not a liberal.

Ok, but it's not gonna happen.

[–] StupidBrotherInLaw@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Ok, but it's not gonna happen.

Certainly not with that attitude.

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 10 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

The way you change things is to start at the bottom. If it were even possible to get a socialist president, they're be incredibly unpopular, and they'd have a very hard time working with Congress. We need to be playing the long game like conservatives did, building up from local office like school boards.

[–] MutilationWave@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

So the people of the UK had to have universal healthcare rammed down their throats. I don't remember the stats but it was extremely unpopular. Turns out they loved it. Now if someone campaigned on privatizing the NHS they'd be laughed out of the room.

[–] StupidBrotherInLaw@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

I'm sorry, I agree 100%. I forgot my /s.