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[–] ConstipatedWatson@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Question to anyone who might know more: would sodium based batteries be better than lithium ones for the environment, in terms of recycling or disposing of it?

In case they are indeed better, would they be better because it's better to use less lithium in general (so if you use more sodium based ones, you use less lithium) or would they be also better because their own disposal is "nicer" (as in less toxic) for the environment?

[–] Diplomjodler@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago

Sodium is pretty much everywhere and it's often a waste product of other activities. So in terms of damage through mining, sodium should be much better. Recycling sodium will likely never be worth it, so there's a danger that toxic compounds will end up in the environment. Lithium, it's much more likely to be recycled because it's more expensive. But that again has an environmental impact. In short, there is no definitive answer. It all depends on how well mining, production and disposal are regulated and supervised.

[–] hark@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

We've only got a stated range out of this (252km/157mi) but there are a lot of factors where this could do well. Sodium batteries should be cheaper, so it'd be great if that translated to the final sale price. Depending on charge times and where you live, this could be a perfectly practical vehicle. If it doesn't degrade like lithium batteries, then that'd be even better. Might make for a great secondary vehicle (or everyday driver, depending).

[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I'm expecting to see dual battery EVs in the not too distant future. A Sodium battery for the primary that gets the most charges and discharges which can be easy and cheaper to replace. Beside that a Lithium battery which would only be drawn from after the Sodium battery was exhausted. This way if you're doing shallow discharges for your "around town" driving then charging at night, and deep discharges for longer road trips where the energy density of Lithium shines.

[–] zergtoshi@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I'm still dreaming of seeing EVs with flexible battery space, which users can fill according to their needs.
Like a car comes with space for 10x 10 kWh slots.
If 20 kWh serve your usual needs, the other spaces remain empty.
And if you plan longer trips and don't want to recharge each 100 miles, you put in additional batteries. Those batteries don't need to be owned, but can be rented.
Ideally there are lots of battery rental stations, where you can get charged batteries and instead of recharging the batteries in the EV, the rent'n'swap stations recharge them.
During (EV) wise low use times, these stations can provide a buffer to the energy grid.
...one can dream...

[–] axo@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago

This already exists. Tom scott did a video about it