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[–] v4ld1z@lemmy.zip 143 points 3 months ago (3 children)

For the love of anything holy. Then they'll require to install a shitty app to shop at the grocery store in the first place. No, thank you

[–] anachronist@midwest.social 81 points 3 months ago (8 children)

I shop at Jewel (which is currently under threat of being taken over by Kroger) and they're now doing this thing where there will be, for instance, peaches, under a huge sign showing an incredible deal. Then you look at it and realize that the price isn't discounted at all unless you install a "Jewel App" and use it to "claim" a "digital coupon."

[–] nutt_goblin@lemmy.world 23 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)
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[–] jpeps@lemmy.world 22 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Two major supermarkets do this in the UK now. I fucking hate it, it should be illegal. I also noticed recently a store with digital price labels. Combine the two and we're marching towards the news in the post at a breakneck speed.

Many supermarkets do adjust their prices based on the average income of the location they're in, so this isn't really different in some ways.

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[–] Sabata11792@ani.social 17 points 3 months ago

If I have to install spyware or open a link at a physical location, my top priority is to leave.

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[–] frankgrimeszz@lemmy.world 94 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

If you’re on the billionaire whitelist, you pay even lower than the people in poverty.

[–] anachronist@midwest.social 121 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Saw an interview with a guy (on Bloomberg actually) who explained that "ability to pay" and "willingness to pay" are two different things and that the pricing system doesn't target people who have a lot of money ("ability to pay") but rather people who have fewer options.

Like, if the app knows that you don't have a car and this is the only grocery store you can walk to, you will pay a higher price.

[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 43 points 3 months ago
[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 80 points 3 months ago (2 children)

don't worry. prices will come down when albertsons and kroger merge. large corps are just more efficient.

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 22 points 3 months ago

They treat their workers better, too. And pay them more. /s

[–] 9point6@lemmy.world 55 points 3 months ago (1 children)

This way maybe a banana could cost $10

[–] Kernal64@sh.itjust.works 26 points 3 months ago (6 children)

Is that... Is that not what it costs now?

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[–] Lets_Eat_Grandma@lemm.ee 50 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

If this happens... You can bet your ass my unemployed relative is going to be the one buying all the groceries with cash.

No cash? Well it turns out the untaxed gift allowance is $18,000, or $1500/mo, more than enough for all the groceries of a large family.

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[–] gearheart@lemm.ee 48 points 3 months ago (1 children)

So instead of taxing millionaires fairly... It's come to this.

[–] HelluvaKick@lemmy.world 29 points 3 months ago

How much could a banana cost? Ten dollars???!!!

[–] ieatpwns@lemmy.world 42 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Then they get mad when people start stealing shit

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[–] theparadox@lemmy.world 41 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Demonstrating the inherent contradiction of capitalism in practice.

Capitalism is allegedly the only fair way to price things, via the "Price Mechanism". However, capitalists have simultaneously been creaming their pants at the idea of charging specific people or people in specific situations more, because they can get more profit, in service of Profit Maximization.

I'm sure I'll get a lecture on how they are not at all mutually exclusive but I don't care, honestly. It's either going to price gouge when the customer is perceived to be in more need (low battery pricing for taxi apps) or have a price based on the customer's ability to pay... at which point why not socialism?

Essentially, the capitalist will support what is best for themselves and make up reasons why it theoretically might benefit consumers (but not really).

[–] grue@lemmy.world 17 points 3 months ago (5 children)

When people talk about the benefits of capitalism, what they're generally really talking about are the benefits of perfect competition.

The capitalists themselves, of course, absolutely hate perfect competition with the burning wrath of a thousand suns.

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[–] bleistift2@sopuli.xyz 40 points 3 months ago (2 children)

This isn’t new. Websites have had higher prices when browsed with a Mac than when browsed with Linux.

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[–] veganpizza69@lemmy.world 40 points 3 months ago (6 children)

Interesting. Progressive private taxation.

[–] LengAwaits@lemmy.world 21 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

All this time I thought we'd eat the rich. Turns out they'll eventually just eat each other instead.

[–] Omgboom@lemmy.zip 28 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] LengAwaits@lemmy.world 26 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

Will? They have feasted upon us.

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[–] huginn@feddit.it 18 points 3 months ago

Also known as wealth hoarding.

The rich get richer...

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[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 35 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (5 children)

I think it's cute that people think the dynamic pricing is charging the poor less,

If you see someone shoplifting anything from Kroger or one of their subsidiaries, no you didn't. Now cause a distraction while that shoplifter does the Lord's work.

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[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 34 points 3 months ago (15 children)

New fashion trend just dropped:

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[–] Kryptenx@lemmy.world 34 points 3 months ago (9 children)

This is why so much money is being pumped into AI. This is the future and our politicians are too old to understand any of it. It isn't sentience you should be worried about folks.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 17 points 3 months ago (17 children)

Yup too many people worry about what happens after AI gains sentience. When we need to worry about what happens before.

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[–] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 33 points 3 months ago (1 children)

What the hell is wrong with these people. How the fuck isn't this illegal and punishable by life imprisonment?

[–] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 16 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Because nobody has actually done this yet, this is just a question some senators asked in a hearing. It's a weird question, but the answer doesn't necessarily seem to be "no".

I think it's more of a "You have never bought this brand, so it's going to be 50% off today because we want you to consume as much as possible and keep coming back", not "You're a gamer, so the Mtn Dew Game Fuel costs 50% more today", or "You're rich, so everything costs 3x as much".

Companies already do this with their apps, issuing coupons to try to expose certain customers to more products. Dynamic pricing just seems like a less transparent and ultimately worse way to do it. It essentially kills couponing as an art form, and I am quite good at shaving 40-60% off of a grocery bill.

If this model succeeds, I worry about what it will evolve into.

[–] grozzle@lemm.ee 33 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Security cameras feed goes through an AI model to classify customers into wealth bands based on appearance, and continually updates the e-ink price labels nearest each customer accordingly.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 19 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

It's perfect. This is the market segmentation dream. Segment the market without having to spend the resources to create different versions of the product for each segment. Just change the price per segment! 🥰

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[–] Boomkop3@reddthat.com 33 points 3 months ago

I would walk up to a homeless person and invite them to shop together. They can get some for themselves, and I can pay them while saving money

[–] aberrate_junior_beatnik@midwest.social 30 points 3 months ago (2 children)

If this were just "it costs more to be rich" I'd be all for it, but more likely it's just about jacking up prices based on other factors. So it'll probably hit poor people, too, by charging more for things they want more, forcing them to give up other stuff they want less.

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[–] Viper_NZ@lemmy.nz 29 points 3 months ago (6 children)

Airlines have been doing this for years.

Browser ID say you’re using a Mac? Higher price for you since you must have a higher income.

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[–] Khrux@ttrpg.network 29 points 3 months ago

I'm less worried about the idea that people are charged groceries based on income and more worried based on need.

Will the person who buys cigarettes twice a day pay more than the person who pays once a fortnight because it's clear that they require it more? Will the shopper of the family of 6 pay extra because they don't have the time or energy to drive to the next place that offers groceries without this system?

Introducing this based on income seems like a sugarcoating of something far more insidious.

[–] Itdidnttrickledown@lemmy.world 27 points 3 months ago (6 children)

Thats not the way it will work. They will give discounts to the rich and charge the poor more. This is essentially what dollar general is. A added cost for being poor.

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[–] UncleGrandPa@lemmy.world 26 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

More like... "We have established your low ability to complain and will be raising the price.... Suck it"

Can't wait till it gets to the Health industry.... Oh, wait...

[–] ocassionallyaduck@lemmy.world 23 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (7 children)

I am going to go to Kroger, speak with the manager, and scream loud enough while complaining for the entire store to hear, and never return the first time this happens.

I'm lucky enough to have options. A lot of small towns aren't. This idea needs to die fast, and it won't unless we are loud and borderline violent in pushing back against it. Tank their sales and reputations as quickly as possible.

Edit: because people think I hate th manager, changed wording. And yea, it sucks that I can't scream directly at the CEO, but if you've silent, this gets implemented with no friction at all, and they declare it a success.

[–] joenforcer@midwest.social 31 points 3 months ago (6 children)

The barely above minimum wage manager doesn't make these decisions and all you gain from screaming at him is bringing down the mix of everyone around you.

The best way to handle this is to not shop at Kroger. Not when they start doing it. Now. Kroger won't get my money until they publicly admit this is a bad move and walk it back before it happens.

[–] mostNONheinous@lemmy.world 17 points 3 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I think the implication of screaming is more to let the whole store know just how exactly fucked this idea is, to get everyone talking about it. Yea the manager doesn’t make the decisions but if he hears no push back, the rich fucks at the top sure don’t.

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[–] Subverb@lemmy.world 23 points 3 months ago

From each according to their ability; to each according to their greed.

[–] PriorityMotif@lemmy.world 22 points 3 months ago (8 children)

Rich people are more stingy than poor people, change my mind.

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[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 22 points 3 months ago (2 children)

the only innovation capitalism breeds is new ways to overprice stuff

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[–] Naich@lemmings.world 18 points 3 months ago

This seems like it should be illegal.

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