Do the Palestinians have a right to defend themselves? Or are we just going to call any retaliation "terrorism"?
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It's a war, they're both allowed to attack each other. Palestinians are going to lose though, the two sides are not equal.
All this peacefire talk is just a nice way of framing the Palestinian surrender. The only question is how long Hamas will keep fighting before they are forced to give in.
No, they're allowed to defend themselves. You're not allowed to start a war, that's a violation of international humanitarian law.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_ad_bellum
And before you reply, no, history did not start on October 7th.
History for Israel started on May 14, 1948, 8 hours before the British protectorate ended.
The war started on May 15, 1948, when 5 Arab nations invaded Israel because they weren't happy with the UN borders. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Arab%E2%80%93Israeli_War
Israel fought back, and has been fighting back ever since.
"Fighting back" by heavily bombarding a Palestine area that has no offensive means due to decades of slowly administered austerity measures. From a land their diaspora didnt own for the last 2000 years...
To be fair they literally asked for it and continue to do so by taking and not releasing the hostages.
Edit: It doesn't help that when killed the other civilians refer to them as martyrs. The whole thing is incredibly ugly and done for imo stupid reasons on both sides.
Israel is was holding hostages before October 7. You are implying that Israel asked for October 7.
No need to lie. Israel isn't innocent, but Hamas has a demonstrated reliable record of using civilian deaths for their ends. They are counting on your naivete to gain sympathy and support and you're falling for it when in actuality this is their ducks coming home to roost.
Surrender. Release the Hostages. Crisis averted. Do they? Nerp. Instead its "you're killing civilians like we've intentionally aimed for for decades! Unfair plane!"
No factually Israel had kidnapped Palestinians from the West Bank and held them hostage before October 7.
You understand 'imprisoning terrorists' /= 'holding hostages' right?
Yes these are different things. How is this relevant to Israel taking Palestinians hostage?
Because imprisoning terrorists is what it is correctly called
The difference is due to the military control Israel has over the Occupied Palestinian Territories. Palestinians are tried in a military court with no civil rights or representation, tortured into false confessions, and incarcerated with routine torture, sexual abuse, and denial of basic medical care. That includes hundreds if not thousands of children.
Palestinians denied civil rights (HRW) including Military Court (B'TSelem)
Palestinian Prisoners in Israel including Child abuse - Save The Children
Torture and Abuse in Interrogations - B'TSelem
Thousands of Palestinians are held without charge under Israeli detention policy - NPR
Oh, but I've been told that Gazans voted for Hamas, so they're getting what they deserve. Awfully young voting age they have in Gaza...
Just to be clear, this is the West Bank, so it isn't even Hamas.
Okay, Hezbollah then.