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[–] Lumidaub@feddit.de 0 points 2 months ago

Depends on what "right to exist" means here.

[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That’s an antisemitic statement.

[–] DmMacniel@feddit.de 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

No this one would be anti-zionistic.

[–] zloubida@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Denying the Jews the right to self-determination that all other peoples have is antisemitic.

Israel is a criminal state that should be stopped. But we can do that, we should do that, without antisemitism.

[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Denying the Jews the right to self-determination that all other peoples have is antisemitic.

Palestine doesn’t have that right right now, and that is because of Israel.

How do you think that should be righted?

[–] zloubida@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

The goal should be the two states solution. It won't be possible if there isn't a strong international pressure on Israel. Again, Israel is a criminal state and should be treated as such. So is Russia, and nobody publishes memes on how Russia has no right to exist.

[–] DmMacniel@feddit.de 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

We have seen how well the two states solution worked in the last 50 years.

[–] zloubida@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I never saw a strong international pressure to make Israel comply.

[–] Confidant6198@lemmy.ml -2 points 2 months ago

There has always been a strong international pressure against it. But the USA always vetos any resolution against Israel. The USA controls the UN.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Nobody is suggesting that, people are arguing in favor of dismantling a fascist ethno-state.

[–] zloubida@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It would be replaced by what?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

A single state solution over Palestine and former Israel, with equal citizenship.

[–] zloubida@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Thus you're denying the right of self determination for the Jew people. QED.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] zloubida@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

If the Jew people of Palestine want the independence, who are we to deny it? The only moral solution in this case is the two states solution.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Ethnostates are bad, and right now we have a fascist ethno state destroying people.

[–] zloubida@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Israel is a lot of things, but not an ethnostate. Falashas and Sefardim aren't white, and they're recognized as citizens as much as Ashkenazim, at least legally (there is racism between Jews in Israel too, but it's the case everywhere).

I don't understand why Israel is the only criminal State in the world that progressive people want totally destroyed. Russia, Iran, Syria, … are imperialist criminal states too, and progressive people “only” want their government changed. I want the fascist government of Israel overthrown, but I have no right to call for the destruction of the country itself. The only difference is Judaism.

[–] Confidant6198@lemmy.ml -2 points 2 months ago

Israel literally sterilizes black Jews. They are a white supremacy state.

[–] Confidant6198@lemmy.ml -2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

“Self determination” to oppress others lmao. Fascism is not self determination.

[–] zloubida@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Israel is a country. Fascism is a type of government.

You can want the end of the fascist government without wanting the end of the country.

[–] Confidant6198@lemmy.ml -2 points 2 months ago

Israel is a fascist settler colonial apartheid regime. Israel is an ethno religious state. Israel must be destroyed like yesterday! That land belong to the Palestinians! Free Palestine! Fuck Israel!