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[–] nekoeth0@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

You think the government would ever get rid of powers like these? Of course not!

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Joe Biden, while loading a very large gun: "It would be terrible if Donald Trump ever got his hands on this."

Donald Trump, having loaded that same gun 4 years ago: "We have to retake the White House from this far-left communist maniac, because he's going to use that very large gun against White People!"

What a fucking racket.

[–] phoneymouse@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

How is this even constitutional. Does the 4th amendment even exist?

[–] Car@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The government is defining this to be reasonable search. Crisis averted! Please scan your iris on the way out of this thread.

[–] phoneymouse@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

What is unreasonable then?

[–] far_university1990@feddit.de 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Spying on the government

Edit: politician to be more exact

[–] ryven@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) said he voted against the reauthorization "because it failed to include the most important requirement to protect Americans' civil rights: that law enforcement get a warrant before targeting a US citizen."

Heartbreaking: The Worst Person You Know Just Made A Great Point

[–] Max_P@lemmy.max-p.me 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

because it failed to include the most important requirement to protect Americans' civil rights: that law enforcement get a warrant before targeting a US citizen

So, he wants the government to dig dirt on US residents, but only if they're immigrants or temporary workers.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, the Constitution protects anyone on American soil, not just citizens.

[–] GiveMemes@jlai.lu 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Not since the patriot act.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Talk to the interned Japanese or the community organizers in the Cobbs Creek neighborhood bombed by the Philly PD. It wasn't just starting with the Patriot Act.

The US has a long and storied tradition of claiming "These people don't count" when enumerating civil rights.

[–] SitD@feddit.de 0 points 6 months ago

the land of the safe ☺️

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

There's an exception to the rule that prohibits spying on religious groups.

Who wants to start an anti-surveillance religion?

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I don't think that'll save you.

https://peoplesworld.org/article/hearings-lawsuit-slam-bush-spying-defense/

NBC News obtained a secret 400-page Pentagon document that listed the Truth Project as a “credible threat” to national security. The Pentagon sent an agent to spy on the group’s first meeting at the Quaker Meeting House in Lake Worth in 2004, one of almost four dozen similar meetings nationwide infiltrated on Bush-Cheney orders.

The report revealed that the Defense Department spy operation kept tabs on 1,500 “suspicious incidents” such as distribution of antiwar leaflets at high schools, peace vigils and town hall meetings.

Eight people are active in the Truth Project, Hersh said, including Quakers, a 79-year-old grandmother and Hersh himself, partially disabled by a nerve disease that often confines him to a wheelchair.

Hersh added with a chuckle, “Yes, I guess we are a ‘credible threat.’ The truth is always a threat to those who are lying. We are always a threat to illegitimate and unjust powers.”

[–] hark@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

So it seems that there are indeed issues where "both sides" agree.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago

The worst legislation that gets passed is typically the bill every Congressman agrees on. If you didn't have to fight through six committees and an extended filibuster, you can assume it must have been a Christmas Tree of kickbacks and crimes.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Can't wait for people to tell me how this is actually a great thing and we need to cheer for this...

[–] queue@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 6 months ago

"But Biden had to sign the Bush era anti-terrorism surveillance state bill! Think of how many of those spies can now be gay or women! REAL Progress is baby steps to where your constitutional rights are violated by minorities and women!!

It's genuinely amazing how we can't push for any bills for raising the federal minimum wage, protecting abortion, protecting queer healthcare, but we can ban wearing hoodies on the senate floor, [passing spying bills on par with China, and then bundling a TikTok ban with aid to Ukraine and Israel.

Sure is great living in a democracy. Where there's only one "valid" option, and he still sucks shit.