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[–] limitedduck@awful.systems 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 months ago

Steve Paiken was one of the few journalists who stuck with the June 2010 Toronto G20 lapse of rule of law. But eventually, he gave up, too. I asked him if he thought anyone would ever have to face consequences, and he said no, he didn't. It must be hard to keep caring and trying. It must be nice to be able to move on. Lots of people never will be able to, and no one cares.

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Won't work. Depends on Ontarians voting. If Ontarians voted, WE WOULDN'T HAVE DOUG FORD. It solves the wrong problem.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It's not the wrong problem, it's an independent problem. If they did this, we could avoid Ford, even if turnout is low.

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Are you factoring in how much telling people they can't vote for the candidate they actually want because a deal was made and they have to vote for a party they've never voted before is going to reduce turnout further? This is ONTARIO. We are fucking entitled. We won't lift a finger to save our own grandmothers from the ravenous bugblatter beast of traal.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Let me think about it. I think in the worst case, it'll be the same as now. The people who'd vote for the candidate who's on the ballot would come out and vote as before. All the 39% of them. 😅 Cause they didn't get screwed. Then the Q is how many of the people who'd otherwise vote for the candidate that was dropped from the ballot would come out and vote for the not-Ford candidate. Maybe zero. Maybe some would vote for Ford. Maybe some would vote for the other candidate. Don't know. Yes we're entitled af. But my bet is that a good chunk would vote for them. Most folks I know are ABC voters. In multiple election cycles, the struggle has been to figure out who's the ABC candidate/party in their particular riding that is most likely to win. And mistakes have been made leading to C winning with hundreds of votes. Theoretically dropping candidates might result in more votes for Ford but I doubt it won't be more than balanced out by some folks holding their noses while voting orange or red.

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I'm being cynical of course. But I do think that blaming the parties is pretty rich considering the voter turnout. The ONDP and the OLP are not interchangeable. Not even close. The OPC and the OLP are more natural bedfellows! I used to wonder why the OLP and ONDP didn't collaborate against the right more; it's because the OLP is the right.

I think the closing of the article was pretty cheap. But the whole article was just an exercise in column inches.

[–] sbv@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 months ago

There was talk of the Greens and Liberals doing this back when Dion was leader. People got weirdly heated about it: if they want to vote Green they may not like the Liberals for valid policy reasons (and vice versa).

I dunno. I'd vote for the Anything But Ford coalition, but I don't think it's a healthy move.

Now, if the coalition promised to enact some flavour of proportional representation as their first piece of legislation, I'd donate all the monies and volunteer my ass off.

[–] pelletbucket@lemm.ee 3 points 2 months ago

how much cocaine do I have to do