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I don't know if you've noticed this, but threads or comments about Lemmy or the Fediverse get downvoted a lot on Reddit and trolls who claim that it's "dogshit" and "not going anywhere" get systematically upvoted.

Some of those trolls get then exposed when you ask them what Lemmy instance they tried and one of them with whom I had a surreal exchange answered with something like "yeah ofc I used Lemmy, this is the instance: join-lemmy.org" πŸ€¦β€β™‚οΈ

It's frustrating that these trolls keep contributing to the big lie that "Lemmy is not ready yet" and that there's "no viable alternative to Reddit".

This and the overwhelming number of comments being "against the mod protests" just prompts me to question whether there isn't some brigading being organized straight from the Reddit HQ.

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[–] ShortPants@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lemmy isn’t ready yet to completely replace Reddit for most people, and that’s part of the fun!!

[–] Chariotwheel@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago

Yeah, it's bit rough, but that also means it can be formed to something better early.

[–] Kissaki@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago

"Don't attribute malice when you can attribute stupidity."

I would not be surprised at all if that user was not aware of which instance they opened or tried after opening join-lemmy.org. Many people are not very mindful or thorough or intentional in how they use technology or software or services. They probably do not even know what an instance is - and so linked the lemmy website.

[–] Zebov@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Probably bots. Reddit has been using them for some time, but recently got caught using chat gpt or something similar to argue against the blackouts.

[–] bloodtide@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Which is fking insane since one of Steve’s excuses for upping API pricing so high is to fight LLM from training on β€œtheir” dataset! Fucking LOL

[–] tryptaminev@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago

it does make sense as a business strategy, since they probably have plans how to analyze the data themselves and sell that as a service or sell a more curated access than the current api.

it's certainly not about protecting the users data, but how to monetize it best.

I also doubt them to have done the whole chatgpt bots just this week. Providing ~organic~ marketing where users are unsure if its just a regular comment of someone super happy with product xy or a bot.

Shilling for certain products or political views is already sold as a service by quite a few companies. I think reddit just wants to take in that business.

[–] SterlingVapor@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Here's the thing - we've been raised from birth to think "people don't make things, companies do".

Most people have never used software that isn't company branded, they've never sat in a chair made by someone they know, they've never pulled food out of the ground. Almost all jobs set someone up doing a service with a supply chain behind them or doing one small step of something bigger.

It's learned helplessness. They don't have the concept of how they could do things outside of the hierarchy - solid chance they've tried, and since their skills are hyper-specialized and rely on big, expensive tools, they found they had a lot of gaps.

Anything you do outside of a company is a hobby to most people. And even then, people organize into sports leagues and buy fancy toys instead of just meeting up in the park with a ball... Do you really need to play by professional rulesets when you're just trying to exercise?

This time around, I didn't bother to explain why the decentralization is so important to my friends and family - even the technical ones are almost afraid of the idea of it.

Instead, I told them about the ways Reddit has picked up the harmful strategy that Facebook used, and that makes mobile gaming so addicting yet so unfulfilling: show them less of the content they want to change the reward schedule, training you to use the app longer for a smaller dopamine hit. Show you content that will make you feel angry, driving up engagement. And most importantly, always wave the promise of another dopamine hit.

The app is eggregious - it sprinkles in stuff from top communities I left a long time ago because they suck, it gives you suggestions for new communities and presents them like interaction from other users, and it sends you notifications to tempt you back in all the time.

And this is just the beginning, it's going to get a lot worse With all the other social networks eyeing their own strategies to squeeze their users, it's going to suck across the board, and good luck trying to build relationships outside these platforms

I think it's important to remember we're animals, and we're not just trainable, we're the most trainable by a large margin. The best of us have just a handful of moments where we see beyond our instincts and conditioning, and decide to train ourselves

This project is important, because it can give us back communities small enough to get to know each other, while providing a larger forum for ideas, and with a design that can shrug off attempts to control it.

It's going to fragment. Sections of it will break off into echo chambers, admins will sell out their users, and parts will offer a curated walked garden hosted. But it can survive all that because of one simple truth - unless one person captures the majority of the network, they're going to have to cut off the best part of the network. Social media can be profitable without sucking, but to rake in profits it has to suck - and even then, we can start up servers for friends and family, and rebuild the network organically

I'm working for an app streamlined enough I can send it to my mom and have her sign up without getting scared off, and I think I've got a solid idea of how to improve discovery of communities without becoming distributed rather than decentralized. Other people are building their own visions of what this can become, and a lot of people are writing impressive code (Lemmy has no business scaling as well as it has), and the beauty of it is that it all competes while adding to the whole.

I've been at it for 30 hours now, but I can't shake the feeling that me getting this out this out in the next few days is going to matter if this is going to become what I hope instead of another shard of Reddit.

But every time I step away to take a breather, I end up back on here and see a glimpse of what this could be

The only way to change the world is to release something self-perpetuating and self-reinforcing and intrinsically positive, and hope it grows

[–] z3n0x@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago
[–] XanXic@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's sort of an asshole problem. All the cool people are walking away from Reddit, or at the very least trying to support the blackout/boycott. So all that's left are the chronically online people, apathetic lurkers, and assholes who purposefully don't care. The assholes are now seeming more vocal because all the logical voices are burned out or gone. Provided the good contributors/commenters stay away. Eventually lurkers won't enjoy a ton of pissy comments on everything and look for more interesting discussion to peruse. Then the assholes will just be being assholes to each other, then be like man this place is full of assholes, and go look for a healthier community to be an asshole too because they don't want people who fight back like they do lol.

[–] z3n0x@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago
[–] Extra_Cucumber_2979@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Once - unfortunately - Apollo app will be down, in less than 2 weeks, I’m pretty sure Lemmy will surge and they will come complaining here πŸ˜…

[–] airportline@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Maybe. It's not like there's a Lemmy app (for iOS) that's as good as Apollo.

[–] FrullaPapaya@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Have you tried Jerboa for Lemmy? It is not Apollo but it is comfortable and ads free

[–] josephboyer@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Memmy is in TestFlight if you fancied being a tester.

[–] FlaxPicker@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Same with mlem. It’s a little ahead of memmy in development right now.

[–] z3n0x@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago

Beta full unfortunately at the moment it seems

[–] z3n0x@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago

Legit surprised how good Jerboa is tbh