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[–] jimmydoreisalefty@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago (9 children)

Legacy media and status quo people always use that excuse.

They are the choosen people that know the real truth only, so lets censor any opposition that goes against our narrative.

This is not just used against Trump, they use it for much more.

No surprise the working class people do not trust legacy media and their ilk.

Independent media is the way to go, not saying to stop seeing legacy media, but question and be criticial of the status quo.

[–] tortina_original@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Oh, another iteration of "both sides are the same" idiocy.

What a shocker.

[–] jimmydoreisalefty@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I prefer:

"Two cheeks of the same backside" - George Galloway

[–] Twentytwodividedby7@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Except it was the GOP that did their rendition of the Beer Hall Putsch last time they lost...so fuck right off with that shit

[–] jimmydoreisalefty@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Not sure what that means, but thanks for explaining something that may help benefit those that may realign their views on said topic!

I will do my own research into Beer Hall Putsch!

Thanks agian, learn something new everyday, hahaha

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

Why is this getting downvoted? Guy was appreciative of being given new info and is open to changing his views. Not everyone knows everything. This post is the definition of good faith.

Shame, lemmings. Shame.

[–] mholiv@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

This comment is quite informative. The “both sides” people are REALLY not aware of history. Hopefully they educate themselves to the point where they advocate against the literal wannabe dictator who actively undermines democracy. (To be clear Trump is the literal wannabe dictator who actively undermines democracy)

[–] Iapar@feddit.de 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Are you also critical of independent media?

[–] jimmydoreisalefty@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Great question!

We should be critical of everything, not just legacy media.

I am more critical of politicians, gov't, and legacy media as a principal, since they do the bidding of the owner class, but yes independent media can also be bought and those that do the bidding of the status quo, owner class.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

"can also be bought"

And the writers (no way I'm calling them journalists) can also be so ridiculously bad at reporting facts that no serious media would ever hire them.

[–] jimmydoreisalefty@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Well, if you look into Independent journalists you would know that many started in legacy media.

You may also find a pattern ,in some, if you do your own research into why they are independent.

I'll give you a hint, one of the reasons is why so many have lost thier trust in legacy media...

Here is a vid where you can start your research: https://lemmy.world/post/15896244

[–] barsquid@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Matt Taibbi and Malcolm Gladwell lol

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[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

"if you do your own research"

Yeah so the second someone tells me to do that I know they don't have the ability to do that for themself in a way that will lead them to credible conclusions.

"lost their trust in legacy media" doesn't mean they were good at reporting facts and might in fact be because they were bad at being intelligent enough to make the difference between facts and their own opinion and therefore stopped trusting their employer who was shutting down their conspiracy bullshit.

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[–] AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

You make it sound like there is no way to verify stuff he says. Like he was just in an interview saying he never said "Lock her up!" - that other people chanted it but he never said it. There are lots of videos of him saying it, so it's a verifiable lie. Of course the media should be able to call him on it.

Just because it doesn't fit your narrative, doesn't mean it's wrong.

[–] jimmydoreisalefty@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago (2 children)

You are correct about the two duopoly apologetics.

I should have made it more obvious I was talking about White Knight Syndrome, where 'I'm not going to let you continue' is used instead of pushing back with more information.

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

If you are ever tempted to use the phrase "two duopoly apologetics" to make a point, you've already lost.

[–] jimmydoreisalefty@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

That is true for you and maybe others that think and agree with your world views.

Apologetics come in all forms, the duopoly has many!

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 0 points 5 months ago (3 children)

I'm making a point about vocabulary. You foolishly assumed I cared about the argument you were making, or shared any facet of my opinion on the subject at hand.

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[–] fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 5 months ago (2 children)

You don't seem to have grasped the nuance of the conversation though.

Pushing back with more information is only a viable strategy when all parties are participating in good faith.

When the guest demonstrates a clear intent to spread obvious misinformation to further their own interests, discontinuing the conversation is the only recourse.

To say the same thing another way, the host did rebut the guest, but the guest carried on without responding to the rebuttal, intent on using the show as a platform to spread misinformation.

[–] bluetoque@lemmy.ca 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Let me guess, the OP will choose to ignore this extremely relevant critical response.

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[–] jimmydoreisalefty@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago

You may be right.

I know I can be wrong and I try to learn from mistakes or bad habits.

Yes, communication can be hard and I and others may react with emotion or just to reply quickly...

I know I do that, as well as other humans.

When the guest demonstrates a clear intent to spread obvious misinformation to further their own interests, discontinuing the conversation is the only recourse.

I do not agree with that point, but who knows how I would react. It is legacy media so sounds bites and time limitations might be the real cause for no pushback.

To say the same thing another way, the host did rebut the guest, but the guest carried on without responding to the rebuttal, intent on using the show as a platform to spread misinformation.

You are most likely correct, but I have little to no reason to be an apologetic to the duopoly,legacy media, or the owner class.

[–] barsquid@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (12 children)

Where do you get your information from?

[–] Omgpwnies@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Probably something with a .ru TLD

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[–] EleventhHour@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

They are the choosen people

You forgot this:

((( THE JOOOOOOOZZZ!!! )))

BTW, we have a special mode for our space lasers for June:

Enjoy your diapers! Happy Pride!💋🖖🏻❤️🏳️‍🌈

[–] jimmydoreisalefty@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Hahaha, nice meme!

Not sure what the other stuff is about though...

Happy pride month!

[–] Dkarma@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (2 children)

This person isn't from the USA...seeing legacy media? No one talks like thos in the US.

Russian or Chinese bot I bet

[–] bradorsomething@ttrpg.network 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] jimmydoreisalefty@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Nope, it looks like a killer whale to me...

Sealioning is a type of trolling or harassment that consists of pursuing people with relentless requests for evidence, often tangential or previously addressed, while maintaining a pretense of civility and sincerity, and feigning ignorance of the subject matter.

I disagree, but feel free to continue to think in that manner.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (3 children)
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[–] jimmydoreisalefty@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Edit: is -> ~~is~~

Oh, you have a reCAPTCHA that can check if people are 'American' or not?

I implore you to really take a hard look at the way you think and come up with your talking points, because I do try to make it a point to do this when people call me out.

Russian or Chinese bot I bet

Sadly, you seem to just be another person that uses this excuse so that you don't have to question your way of view or the way the working class ~~is~~ sees the world.

[–] DoctorButts@kbin.melroy.org 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] jimmydoreisalefty@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)
[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

This many downvotes on Lemmy is almost impressive

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[–] anon_8675309@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

So… media has to simultaneously report the truth AND let liars lie?

Good grief!

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