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'I just find bombs, dead people... it's really scary' - British Palestinian girl in Gaza (www.bbc.co.uk)

submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by bernieecclestoned@sh.itjust.works to c/world@lemmy.world

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[–] dangblingus@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

If nothing else, this terrible unnecessary war has shown the West's cognitive dissonance.

Hardcore right wing people generally hate Jewish people, unless the Jewish people are fighting Muslim people, then it's "Jewish people have the right to self-determination!"

People on the left generally do not hate any specific ethnic group, however, we have a long history of criticizing Israel for their apartheid. Being met with the furor of everyone else calling us anti-semites is nothing new, but never has it come so forcefully from so many people all at once.

Moderates in the center aren't speaking out at all for fear of being called anti-semitic, maintaining international relations with a nuclear power, and secretly hoping that this takes attention away from the climate crisis so we can keep going business as usual in favor of the ruling class.

More important than the cognitive dissonance though, is the fact that everyone in the West believes their opinion is the best and will solve everything.

[–] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago

You are also called and Islamophobe if you aren't taking a stand against all of Israel in this.

[–] x86x87@lemmy.one 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Anti-semitic my ass. I know jewish people that are openly open about their retarded leaders.

Jewish people out of all people should understand why genocide is not acceptable. A bunch of old power hungry people are responsible for hundreds of thousands of people being killed or displaced. That's what God wants, amiright?

[–] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago

If it was genocide, why warn the people and offer humanitarian aid in the south of Gaza? Why no attacks on the Westbank? Why did they wait until Hamas attacked (again)? Why were Palestinians part of the population in Israel?

Israel certainly doesn't respect the border to Palestinian land, but to call it genocide sounds a lot like a propaganda tool. Especially when it comes from people who ignore that Palestinians and especially the Hamas and other extremist groups in Palestine declared they want a genocide on all Jews. And this even predates the separation.

[–] x86x87@lemmy.one 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How the fuck can this happen? I mean seriously how can people justify these atrocities in the name of "pick your favourite god".

Feel very sad for this girl and for all civilians that want to just you know live their lives. And remember majority of Gaza is less than 18. Kids.

[–] MataVatnik@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's not a religious war, fyi

[–] Pretzilla@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

How so? Israel 'settles' there in what they call their holy land. Hamas yells Allah Akbar as they kill and take hostages. Are you trolling?

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It’s a race war if anything. Religion is used to fuel it. But Israel doesn’t care about its gods. It only cares about people within its tribe controlling its country. Eventually Israel will have to choose between being Jewish controlled and being democratic, even. Because demographics are trending against there being a Jewish majority forever. They will ditch democracy. I mean, they already have by deliberately disenfranchising millions of Arabs from it. An apartheid democracy isn’t a democracy, it’s an oligarchy. Anyway, no, it’s not about the Jewish god. If you think Judaism is a religion, straight up, you don’t understand it. The Arabs also cling to their religion because it’s the one thing no one can take away from them. It’s also very effective at controlling people.

[–] Pipoca@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hamas is literally an offshoot of the Muslim brotherhood.

Fatah is reasonably secular. But Hamas is fighting a literal jihad against Jews. To Hamas, this is very much a religious war to establish a Muslim theocracracy over all of Israel.

[–] Whattrees@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You're still confusing the pretext with the actual reason. Hamas and the Zionists both say they are doing this for religious reasons, but the actual reasons are much more complex and almost entirely political and social. You're buying into the propaganda from both sides of you really think the root of this catastrophe is religion.

Hamas only exists because of the occupation and oppression caused by the state of Israel.

[–] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago

Groups against Jews have existed in the area before Israel and Palestine were established.

People blissfully forget that when they believe defending yourself justifies all means.

[–] complacent_jerboa@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

No, it has almost nothing to do with religion. The only part of the Israeli-Palestinian crisis that actually tangibly relates to a religious dispute, is the contesting claims over Jerusalem (because it's holy to both Judaism and Islam).

Literally the entire rest of the conflict is based on competing nationalist claims.

Yes, even though Hamas is yelling "Allahu-akbar". Believe it or not, they're not fighting because of their religion, they're fighting because of their political goals (namely in Hamas' case AFAIK the destruction of Israel). They do also happen to be religious, but the primary conflict is a political one.

[–] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago

They do not want to just destruct Israel, they want to kill all Jewish people and want a purely Muslim country. Anti-semitism in the area existed before Israel was created and is a reason why it was created in the first place.

It's just often ignored because Jews aren't a group that people sympathise with. There are also many more Muslim people and even hinting that you do not support everything Palestine does, as a Muslim or not, can make you a target for lots of hate. There are even people who will tell you that you "aren't a real Muslim" if you support a two-state-solution.