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[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

"Antifascism? That's literally fascism"

A phrase spoken only by fascists

For any potential commenters who don't understand, fascism isn't when politically motivated threats of physical violence, it's when far-right-wing, ultra-nationalist, centralized autocracy, belief in and support of social hierarchies, strong regimentation of society and the economy, and politically motivated threats of physical violence

Hey wait a second, one of the political parties in the US fits all those descriptions...

[–] uberrice@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Antifascism isn't fascism, but Antifa, in a lot of public outings (where presumably only a minority of people go) behaves very fascist.

[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

"behaves very fascist"

Yeah those evil fascist protestors doing violence, waving American flags, demanding strict social hierarchies, with ultra-right-wing views

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[–] uberrice@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Im talking about Europe. Where I'm from. Not everyone is american.

[–] yata@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And your claim is still a big fat lie.

[–] uberrice@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Reasons why I think Antifa is fascist:

  1. they paint people they don't like as 'Nazis' - just like right wing fascists like to paint everyone they don't like as a 'jew'
  2. they endorse violence against these 'Nazis'
  3. they self-radicalize by echo-chambering, removing themselves farther and farther from the "real world"

Do you not agree with these statements?

[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Are they also ultra-nationalist, ultra-right-wing, and in favor of strict social hierarchies? There's more to fascism than just being mean to people you don't like

[–] uberrice@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

According to Britannica:

Fascism : a way of organizing a society in which a government ruled by a dictator controls the lives of the people and in which people are not allowed to disagree with the government

While what I described is not centrally controlled by a dictator (and anyone claiming that Antifa was centrally controlled is a nutcase, I agree), the way Antifa as a collective behaves does try to "control the lives of people, not allowing them to disagree with them" - at least in my opinion. You're free to have your own.

[–] treefrog@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

"control the lives of people, not allowing them to disagree with them" - at least in my opinion.

The right uses political and actual violence to prevent people from being themselves. That's not a disagreement. That's actual fascism.

[–] uberrice@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

While I don't agree with the right's current direction - I'm talking about Switzerland/Germany, not America here - I have not seen a single incident where they use political and actual violence to get their point across - where I've seen that a lot from the left.

[–] treefrog@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Right wing violence is all over the news the last three years in Germany.

I do however see that Antifa in the EU seem to be a lot more militant than here in the U.S.

[–] uberrice@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

All 'right motivated violence' I can find in Germany is single culprits - usually deranged people doing mass shootings. While that's terrible, yes, that's barely related to anything to do with the broader masses of people.

If you have other sources, I'd love to see them

[–] yata@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Antifa literally just means antifascism. If you are an antifascist you are antifa.

[–] uberrice@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No. Antifa is the Antifaschistische Aktion. It's an organization that exists, although rather loosely organized.

I don't know about your American weird ass bullshit, but that is the actual true Antifa.

[–] pleb_maximus@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There are many organizations under that label, they usually are not organized between each other at all and have very different philosophies of what and how they want to do.

There is no AntiFa e.V.

[–] uberrice@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There's also no Nazi e. V. - yet for some reason Antifa groups like to label everyone not agreeing with them as a nazi.

[–] pleb_maximus@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago

Suuuuuure.

[–] sic_1@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago

Boiled down, fascism is the belief that one group of humans is inherently better than another and as such should reign superior or wipe anyone out that resists. Could be motivated by racial, political or religious beliefs. In the US, it seems like all of those come together.