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"Antifascism? That's literally fascism"
A phrase spoken only by fascists
For any potential commenters who don't understand, fascism isn't when politically motivated threats of physical violence, it's when far-right-wing, ultra-nationalist, centralized autocracy, belief in and support of social hierarchies, strong regimentation of society and the economy, and politically motivated threats of physical violence
Hey wait a second, one of the political parties in the US fits all those descriptions...
Antifascism isn't fascism, but Antifa, in a lot of public outings (where presumably only a minority of people go) behaves very fascist.
Antifa literally just means antifascism. If you are an antifascist you are antifa.
No. Antifa is the Antifaschistische Aktion. It's an organization that exists, although rather loosely organized.
I don't know about your American weird ass bullshit, but that is the actual true Antifa.
There are many organizations under that label, they usually are not organized between each other at all and have very different philosophies of what and how they want to do.
There is no AntiFa e.V.
There's also no Nazi e. V. - yet for some reason Antifa groups like to label everyone not agreeing with them as a nazi.
Suuuuuure.
"behaves very fascist"
Yeah those evil fascist protestors doing violence, waving American flags, demanding strict social hierarchies, with ultra-right-wing views
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Im talking about Europe. Where I'm from. Not everyone is american.
And your claim is still a big fat lie.
Reasons why I think Antifa is fascist:
Do you not agree with these statements?
Are they also ultra-nationalist, ultra-right-wing, and in favor of strict social hierarchies? There's more to fascism than just being mean to people you don't like
According to Britannica:
Fascism : a way of organizing a society in which a government ruled by a dictator controls the lives of the people and in which people are not allowed to disagree with the government
While what I described is not centrally controlled by a dictator (and anyone claiming that Antifa was centrally controlled is a nutcase, I agree), the way Antifa as a collective behaves does try to "control the lives of people, not allowing them to disagree with them" - at least in my opinion. You're free to have your own.
The right uses political and actual violence to prevent people from being themselves. That's not a disagreement. That's actual fascism.
While I don't agree with the right's current direction - I'm talking about Switzerland/Germany, not America here - I have not seen a single incident where they use political and actual violence to get their point across - where I've seen that a lot from the left.
Right wing violence is all over the news the last three years in Germany.
I do however see that Antifa in the EU seem to be a lot more militant than here in the U.S.
All 'right motivated violence' I can find in Germany is single culprits - usually deranged people doing mass shootings. While that's terrible, yes, that's barely related to anything to do with the broader masses of people.
If you have other sources, I'd love to see them
Boiled down, fascism is the belief that one group of humans is inherently better than another and as such should reign superior or wipe anyone out that resists. Could be motivated by racial, political or religious beliefs. In the US, it seems like all of those come together.