I completely disagree with banning rifles and pistols. However, I am all for intensive background checks, psychological tests, firearm classes and tests, mandatory storage safety with inspections and licensing classifications depending on what you want to buy. The Europeans do this correctly and the US allows lunatics to own firearms.
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Those will be used against letting leftist get guns.
"If you've smoked weed in the last 5 years or have Trump Derangement Syndrome, I'm afraid I can't sell this to you."
Hawaii state Senator Joy Buenaventura, who is typically a supporter of gun control measures, said the bill would criminalize existing owners of assault rifles, per Hawaii News Now.
She said: "Now, by their mere possession, because we decide to pass this bill, we decide to label them as criminals and that to me, it's unethical and should not be tolerated by this body."
However, Senate Judiciary chair Karl Rhoads disagreed with this take on the bill saying it allowed for "grandfathering."
Sooo... which is it?
But yeah. Obviously America should do this.
Grandfathering requires firearm registration. They did the same thing with the fully automatic firearms ban in the 80's. Now the kids and grandkids of people who previously legally owned firearms have to make a decision. Some of these firearms would be worth 6 figures or more if they were registered, and some have significant historical value, but instead it's a serious felony to own them and they had no say in how it ended up in this state.
Illinois also very recently did a semi auto registration, and a lot of folks did not comply, because they believed that is just the first step to confiscation. Now these people's family are going to have the same problem in a few years.
Just because there is a grandfather clause, doesn't mean it's going to automatically make everyone law abiding. And one person's decision is going to impact their family for generations.
YUP. Seems like an important contradiction where a good journalist could then go to the bill text and determine which one of them is lying.
Says it "allows" for grandfathering, so I bet they pick & choose who's a criminal and who gets a pass.
Smart move.
Well yeah, they might need those guns to topple fascists…
In that case, let's ban them
- Republicans most likely
They’ll need it for the civil war
Or...this is just another cynical ploy to appeal to the right, since they seem incapable of moving left on any subject.
It's because it's not the issue, nor should time be wasted on that right now. We can argue policy later. We need to unite and get the traitor out of office
What a pointless bill. Assault rifles have been illegal nationwide for decades.
The bill provides the exact definition they use for assault rifle which appears to be more strict than federal law. So, no, it is not pointless.
This is one thing I hate about democrats. They barely swing a few undecided voters and throw it all away by bringing up an item that many undecided voters take as a single-issue subject.
Gun issues are a losing topic.
Focus efforts on anything else (healthcare, housing, etc) and gun violence will drop.
Totally agree. Gun issues need to be off the table entirely until sanity has returned to government. Dems need to focus on making normal government operations and improving living standards as exciting as the threat of taking over Canada.
Ronnie Reagan and George Bush Sr are notorious gun control freaks and they are GOP. Yes, improving labor rules and public services would relieve the stress on the Americans reducing violence. No wonder the USA experiences so many "going postal" murders.
While the proposed bill in the article was a poorly-defined measure, I object to the idea that gun control will always be losing. It's one of The Onion's reliable jokes; "No way to present this, says only nation where this kind of thing happens regularly". And that's not because healthcare and housing are perfectly solved issues everywhere else.
I've spoken with several gun owners in my state who are in perfect agreement that many do not respect the weight those objects have, and follow no safety rules - and would like to see sane regulations on model production and better background check systems, based specifically around how the most gun crimes are committed. We're just in a ridiculous spiral where the right keeps complaining Democrats want to take away all guns, and lawmakers keep aiming for these vague "assault bans" that would accomplish nothing.
I hate seeing articles like this because it tees you, the commenter, up for assuming that the entire DNC decided to drop their gun control policy.
This is just for Hawaii. Hawaii voted against this.
Newsweek is such a dogshit source to be talking about in forums and threads because they write everything assuming that Democrats are a perfectly unified group, all with identical motivations, reasoning, and agendas. We know they're not, but NW can show you a ding in a shoulder plate, and tell you the entire suit of armor is equally vulnerable.
So the media again is helping stir the pot. When you use vague language like "assault-style" weapons, it makes it open to wide interpretation as to what an "assault-style" weapon is. You. the reader, are assuming and envisioning the AR-15, the AK-47 but it can also include semi-automatic hand guns or some types of shotguns. If you want to put a ban on something quit tip toeing and define the weapons you want to ban and their variants using specific language such as semi-automatic rifle, fully-automatic rifle, barrel length, etc. They should also quit banning by cosmetics to define "assault-style" weapons. You can easily change your fully-automatic rifle to look like a Nerf gun (fully automatics are illegal anyway). Here's a bit more on the term:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_weapon
People should actually read the laws on the books and quit relying on the media or their politicians to do the reading for them. They may find there's already several bans on "assault-style" weapons because specific language is used. People should also focus on the loopholes instead and campaign to get those closed. Politicians won't do it so long as the NRA keeps shoving cash into their pockets.
If you want to put a ban on something quit tip toeing and define the weapons you want to ban and their variants using specific language such as semi-automatic rifle, fully-automatic rifle, barrel length, etc
That's how you get weird-ass weapons designed specifically to work around the law though. E.g in Russia they regulate harder any weapon that has rifling on more than half of the barrel (otherwise it's considered a hunting shotgun iirc), so of course there are tons of Russian civilian weapons that are basically military stuff with shitty rifling and locked to semi auto
It does turn into a game of "one-up" but this is why you get actual weapons experts to advise on the language of the law and not business owners and lawyers who have no idea what a gun is other than it makes them a lot of money or its scary.