Whaaat? A disease stemming from our exploitation of animals?? Surely that is something new and never heard of before!
this post was submitted on 02 Apr 2024
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How is this vitrol adding to the discussion?
There is no discussion. This is going to happen again and again and people will suffer and die. Not as much and numerous as the exploited animals, but still too much.
I mean, people suffer and die from getting sick from eating produce, or from wheat or rice. I'm sure other non-animal foods too. Wasn't there deaths recently from eating cantaloupe.. and we get salmonella from wheat products.. and rice has that bacteria or something that can make you sick even if you cook it properly... There's no escaping food making us sick, even if we all went vegan.
We were talking about diseases and pandemics. Which produce created a pandemic?
You were acting like the problem was eating meat, I was simply pointing out that wouldn't stop us getting sick from the food we eat.
So it would reduce the risk of antibiotic resistant diseases, the risk of the next zoonosis that turns into pandemic, the certainty that climate change will destroy agriculture, the risk of heart diseases and cancer but it will not eliminate the chance of a stomach flue so it is not worth perusing?
Don't mess with Texas, also don't visit Texas or eat anything Texas produces.
Don't mess with animals. This is not a Texas problem, outbreaks have been all over the world and the animal agriculture is the perfect breeding ground. The only question is where will it develop the human to human infection feature. When it happens you can only blame others if your state or country has no animal agriculture as it could happen anywhere.
I didn’t realise bird flu wasn’t transmitted between humans already tbh. I caught Swine flu (H1N1) from another human a decade or so ago.
It was already, but not from another mamal. Birds infecting individuals is not the problem, we kill a few millions (58 since 2022 in the states alone) birds to prevent the spread, a few hundred humans get sick, all is well. From mamal to another mamal is the problem, once it goes from human to human its over.
There are some dumb responses in this thread. Lots of misplaced vitriol at Texas and farmers.
You want to have people report this stuff? Don't act like dickheads when they do.
Stuff like this happens from time to time in agriculture. UK has issues with TB in dairy cows which requires them to cull herds. It's really shitty and unfortunate but this type of thing has happened for millenia.
It's better that they report it so we can address it and find ways to prevent it happening in the future.
And unless everyone is willing to go 100% vegan tomorrow, we need farmers, livestock, and the like to keep our meat and dairy supply flowing.
Edit:
I also want to point out that it doesn't seem like.they definitively determined it came from the cows but that he was "link" and "exposed" to infected cows.
"Genetic tests don’t suggest that the virus suddenly is spreading more easily or that it is causing more severe illness, Shah said. And current antiviral medications still seem to work, he added."
So this guy could have gotten it from the same bird the cows got it from as well. A dozen other people were tested and none came back positive.
All other cases we've seen have come from bird contact. So there is a reasonable chance this guy got it from an infected bird without realizing it.
Also, none of the cows have died (dunno if that's a good thing or bad thing).
And unless everyone is willing to go 100% vegan tomorrow
- we do it until we get a new pandemic
- we wait until climate change, 3°C from food production, destroys enough crops that agriculture collapses
- we eat more of it to die sooner so we don't have to face the consequences of our actions.
And no, I don't belive 100% tommorow is the only way to avoid that, that was your wording. But it has to and will change.