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[–] Haven5341@feddit.de 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

I had a very quick look at the law. It's a first step. Better than nothing and long overdue. I'm thankful but the law itself seems to be in part contradictory.

I.e.: I'm allowed to grow three cannabis plants. Sounds good? I'm additionally not allowed to own more than 50 grams of cannabis plant material (buds, leafs and stem). How should i even grow a single cannabis plant without making myself culpable?

I guess we'll have to wait and see how these contradictions are handled by the courts.

[–] vapeloki@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

50g ate the dry weight. You are allowed to posses 3 plants + 50g consume ready product. So, this should work out just nice with smaller plants

[–] Haven5341@feddit.de 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

You are allowed to posses 3 plants + 50g consume ready product.

Sure. As long as the 3 plants are alive:

§ 3, Abs 2 CanG reads:

Personen, die das 18. Lebensjahr vollendet haben, ist abweichend von Absatz 1 im Geltungsbereich dieses Gesetzes an ihrem Wohnsitz oder an ihrem gewöhnlichen Aufenthalt der Besitz von Cannabis wie folgt erlaubt:

(1) von bis zu 50 Gramm Cannabis, bei Blüten, blütennahen Blättern oder sonstigem Pflanzenmaterial der Cannabispflanze bezogen auf das Gewicht nach dem Trocknen, und

(2) von bis zu drei lebenden Cannabispflanzen

https://dserver.bundestag.de/btd/20/104/2010426.pdf

Translated by Google:

By way of derogation from paragraph 1, persons who have reached the age of 18 shall be permitted to possess cannabis at their domicile or habitual residence within the scope of this Act as follows:

(1) up to 50 grams of cannabis, in the case of flowers, near-flower leaves or other plant material of the cannabis plant in relation to the weight after drying, and

(2) of up to three live cannabis plants

That is 3 plants that are alive(!). If I'm harvesting or the plant dies of other causes, the plant is no longer alive and I'm suddenly in the possession of much more than the 50 grams allowed by law (and the whole plant counts, not just the buds).

[–] vapeloki@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

That is a non issue in my opinion. As long as it is not dryied yet you can process it. Just cook it out for example. Or use it as fertilizer.

[–] Haven5341@feddit.de 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

As long as it is not dryied yet

The law doesn't make a distinction between dried or not dried. This is only used for measurement. It only distinguishes between alive and dead.

Just cook it out for example.

It's still a dead cannabis plant.

This law makes no sense in this regard. Allowing three plants just so you have to destroy two an a half of them.

And at one point in time you will be in possession of an illegal amount of cannabis. Even if it is for a short period of time. Sure, you probably won't be caught but it still seems to be illegal according to CanG

[–] fr0g@feddit.de 0 points 8 months ago

The law does make sense, if you put it into practice. In practice the dry weight amounts will probably just be checked on the street. Checking your home will require a warrant which isn't easy to come by, so they're not gonna bother about cases where it might be three or four plants or this or that many grams.

[–] tryptaminev@feddit.de 0 points 8 months ago

I mean in practice the key question will be, whether "my neighbour grows weed, i've seen a plant in the window" will still be probable cause for a search warrant or not.

If it won't be, then you'd be good realistically.

[–] WallEx@feddit.de 0 points 8 months ago (2 children)

as a german i feel divided, on one hand its a step in the right direction, on the other hand it doesn't go remotely far enough in my opinion.

[–] misk@sopuli.xyz 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

I think this is fine because while people should be allowed to do light drugs I don't mind making them jump through some hoops so that it's not that convenient. Alcohol and nicotine are definitely way too accessible and it affects perception of this law.

I use cannabis in Poland where we accidentally legalized it by allowing doctors to prescribe it online which combined with corruption means anyone who wants it can get it but it's not so obvious unless you're interested. It's a surprisingly OK compromise.

[–] WallEx@feddit.de 0 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I think if you're not harming anyone else you should be allowed to do whatever you want. I don't see, why drugs are prohibited in the first place.

[–] fr0g@feddit.de 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Well, who's gonna pay for your medical care when you inevitably develop drug problems/health issues. So in a socialized healthcare system, you are harming others with it.

(And not offering treatment or making the patient pay for it which they often won't be able to, would be very inhumane imo)

[–] Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.de 0 points 8 months ago

Well, who’s gonna pay for your medical care when you inevitably develop drug problems/health issues.

The same that pays for alcoholics, injuries from extreme sports and people suffering from heart attacks because of an unhealthy lifestyle already?

[–] xigoi@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It’s easy to harm other people by doing drugs. For example, a parent who smokes will make life worse for their child.

[–] WallEx@feddit.de 0 points 8 months ago

Thats not people doing drugs, thats parents being harmful.

[–] notapantsday@feddit.de 0 points 8 months ago

I think this is perfect. Make it legal but non-commercial. It should not be allowed to make a profit off of other people's addiction and there shouldn't be financial incentives to get people addicted as quickly as possible.

I wish they would do the same for alcohol, tobacco, gambling, etc.

[–] shani66@ani.social 0 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Still don't get the irrational obsession with weed, if you fuckers allow beer and coffee then weed is barely a difference

[–] Successful_Try543@feddit.de 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

At least it is a step forward from the current state: "Cannabis is not broccoli and it is not allowed because it is forbidden".

[–] sic_1@feddit.de 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

BTW for the uninitiated: That's the actual quote from the former federal drug officer. No joke - we wished it was.

[–] manucode@feddit.de 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

To be precise, that's two quotes by two different, consecutive federal drug officers. Mortler justified a cannabis ban with its status as an illegal drug, her successor Ludwig pointed out that cannabis isn't broccoli.

[–] lurch@sh.itjust.works 0 points 8 months ago (2 children)

i'm not entirely convinced it's not broccoli. i need to do more tests.

[–] tryptaminev@feddit.de 0 points 8 months ago

Don't forget to get your results peer reviewed.

[–] sic_1@feddit.de 0 points 8 months ago

FOR SCIENCE!

[–] WallEx@feddit.de 0 points 8 months ago

why forbid it then?

[–] Blaubarschmann@feddit.de 0 points 8 months ago

Title is misleading. Officially it's not possible to "buy" weed, you only get it from your social club "for free" with a monthly membership fee. Clever way to get around the "buying" aspect