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[–] Wilco@lemm.ee 17 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Oligarchs vs their Consumers. Both now killing each other openly. The opening of true class warfare.

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 34 points 7 hours ago

Will the oligarchs seek the death penalty for this company killing a civilian child?

No

But they'll seek the death penalty for a civilian killing one of them.

[–] stinky@redlemmy.com 18 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Following the killing of Brian Thompson, Tim Noel replaced him as the CEO of UnitedHealthcare. Noel had previously served as the CEO of UnitedHealthcare's Medicare & Retirement unit. The announcement came after Thompson was fatally shot in December.

[–] stinky@redlemmy.com 12 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Who's Tim Noel? The new CEO of UnitedHealthcare.

[–] ByteJunk@lemmy.world 4 points 4 hours ago

UnitedDeathcare

[–] aramova@infosec.pub 22 points 7 hours ago

It's what Healthcare CEOs call Durable Savings.

The family premiums won't go down with one less child, but costs are saved.

Win-win for shareholders!

[–] Elextra@literature.cafe 27 points 8 hours ago

"‘You have not tried all lower levels of care available in your area. You can learn to control your behaviors and stay at home. You can learn coping skills in your home. Your family can support you as you get treatment.’”

100% I believe they sent this to family... If addictions were so easy to manage we wouldn't have all these addiction programs

[–] pelley@lemmy.world 90 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

I assume the DOJ will pursue the death penalty for the claims adjuster.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 33 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Don't kill people with guns. Kill people with paperwork. Most effective serial murder in the world. We know their motives, MO, and exactly where they live, but nobody will prosecute them.

[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 12 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

I'm told the best way to kill someone and get away with it is to hit them with your car. Not, like, drive into a crowd of people, but like nail them when they're crossing the street or walking near the side of the road. Especially if they're walking or on a bike. You can just say you didn't see them or whatever, and our car-focused culture will be like "yeah ok that happens."

So hypothetically if any healthcare CEOs are out jogging in their suburbs, someone could run them over and maybe not even be charged with a crime.

[–] ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 7 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Nah, because it's a CEO the person who does it would definitely get charges, and they would likely push for the death penalty, even for a traffic accident.

CEOs are not on the same level as the rest of us.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 8 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Might be right, but remember that the families of healthcare CEOs can find a good lawyer to sue your ass for wrongful death.

[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 7 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Probably better than getting the death penalty for allegedly shooting the CEO dead, but yeah there's no risk-free way of getting rid of the the worst sorts of people.

[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 12 points 10 hours ago

No, the judge just gets another Caribbean vacation.

[–] RVGamer06@sh.itjust.works 72 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

One Luigi wasn't enough, i see.

[–] skuzz@discuss.tchncs.de 20 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (2 children)

Reminds me of a scene in Fight Club when Robert Paulson accidentally becomes a martyr. The crew partially took his death as, "we are all Robert Paulson," we are all this martyr.

There is a nation of Luigis, and it's everyone. Everyone just has to stop waiting to die. It need not be violent or deadly, either. One way would be merely: Everyone just has to stop. Doing everything. At the same time.

Probably a good time would be around when the supply chains completely collapse in 10 or so days from now.

[–] BlueCollarRockstar@sh.itjust.works 8 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Hol up I'm OOTL why are supply chains collapsing in 10 days or so

[–] BakerBagel@midwest.social 13 points 7 hours ago

Because it takes 3 weeks for cargo ships to arrive in California from China. Trump announced his tarrifs 3 weeks ago, so imported items are about to drop off

[–] pulido@lemmings.world 5 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

People need to get off the consumer bandwagon in order for this to happen.

Whenever we're on the brink of radical change, all it takes is a new hollywood movie to come out to distract everyone.

[–] Jumpingspiderman@lemmy.world 4 points 5 hours ago

With supply chains halted, we're all going to be thrown off the consumer bandwagon soon. With no choice in the matter.

[–] SARGE@startrek.website 19 points 8 hours ago
[–] fossilesque@mander.xyz 124 points 11 hours ago (12 children)

I don't know how you can work for these companies and sleep at night, especially at the executive levels. Utter psychopathy.

[–] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 51 points 10 hours ago (6 children)

I was listening to the Acquired episode on Epic and they touch on the severe cost overruns in our healthcare system. They make a point to share that hospitals aren't the ones making a killing. It's insurance companies.

They make a compelling argument that if you add up the total that you pay to insurance, taking into account what your employer pays, there's no way you get that much value out of your health insurance annually.

[–] fossilesque@mander.xyz 33 points 10 hours ago

It's a metaphorical gun to the head. It's not designed to help. The purpose of the system is what it does.

[–] spooky2092@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Oh man, epic is such complicated garbage that even with a company brought in to set it up, the center I worked at during the rollout was a fucking mess. I left 14-18 months after initial deployment and they were still ironing bugs out, and I heard they rolled back within a year or so of leaving. Also, it's almost hilarious how often I hear nurses bitching about using epic just when I have to go in for anything, and none of them are related to the place I worked.

[–] Elextra@literature.cafe 4 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I respectfully disagree after you try other EHRs like Cerner lol

I also haven't heard complaints about Epic with bugs at least in my org. They are pretty user friendly especially when we have some staff that can barely type. The only complaint was documentation. Nursing documentation was tedious with like over 250 options for "adult assessment" but they've slimed it down to like 50 earlier this year for my healthcare system. Lastly, I think things work better the more money hospitals put in the EHR. I was per diem for another healthcare system. It was pretty cool how many other features they had than ours.

[–] spooky2092@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

Must just be one of those "yeah my product is awful but have you seen the other guy?" sort of situations. I never had to use the EMR directly outside of troubleshooting, but both epic and the previous EMR were pretty garbage so I don't really have a good baseline to go off of.

[–] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

The Acquired episode made it clear that the customer isn't the people who use the software. Their customer is the CEO and the CIOs of hospital systems.

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[–] WFloyd@lemmy.world 4 points 8 hours ago

yeah my product is awful but have you seen the other guy

Yeah, it's this. I worked at Epic somewhat recently, and I've since worked with former Cerner/Oracle folks too. To Epic's credit, they've never been acquired, and are better for it.

There's a lot of vocational awe across the board, people genuinely trying their best to make the product good. But healthcare is inherently complicated, because people are complicated. Each individual health system needs it customized to their specific needs, and over time this can get hairy to support. Add on to that that regulations and guidelines literally change every year, and it can become really hard to make headway on more meaningful changes when you're just trying to stay compliant.

This leads to burnout on the software support side, Epic churns through new hires like crazy - average tenure has been way down since COVID-19 (you can Google their response to that), so it's a revolving door of 21-25 year olds keeping that ship afloat.

Also, yes, insurance companies are the ones making the big money, by a mile.

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[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 45 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I imagine it's something like this that helps:

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[–] Grunt4019@lemm.ee 4 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Even with the amount of money they earn I don’t think I’d be able to sleep at night anyway.

[–] kozy138@lemm.ee 3 points 6 hours ago

They have pills and alcohol for that. Or they don't actually sleep and are on a coke binge instead.

[–] pulido@lemmings.world 12 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

Literally nobody in their social circles holds them accountable for what they're a part of.

It's like ignoring your friends are part of the Nazi Regime because they're "just doing it for the money."

[–] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 12 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Abstraction. They don't even see individual numbers of denied claims, they see a percentage, a percentage of chance and other KPI. For they, there's no people being affected by the denials, only indicators.

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[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 12 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

One of them is taking a dirt nap

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 12 points 11 hours ago (1 children)
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[–] saltesc@lemmy.world 52 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

Another manslaughter for a US health insurance scheme's tally.

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 24 points 11 hours ago

Always remember: it's only terrorism if poor people do it.

[–] pulido@lemmings.world 10 points 8 hours ago

Another death their CEO is responsible for.

[–] etchinghillside@reddthat.com 18 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I wonder if they’ve appointed a new CEO yet.

[–] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 17 points 11 hours ago

They appointed a new one (a Tim Noel) back in late January.

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