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imagine if someone just like started addressing you as Dipshit, like youre just talking about your day & they say "no way Dipshit, that's crazy." and then maybe you say to them that you would prefer not to be addressed as Dipshit & their response is "well in my major metropolitan area 'Dipshit' is not considered an insult. im not saying i think youre stupid when i call you Dipshit, i call my mom dipshit all the time" so you say Thats cool but please dont call Me that. and then they just repeat that it's something they say daily, they call all of their best friends & lovers dipshits & are called dipshit in return. "my grandma calls me dipshit at the dinner table, it doesnt mean anything." so you say Yes i understand that your friends & grandma arent bothered by being called Dipshit but i am, & i would prefer if you didnt address me as that. and they say "it's literally not possible for me to stop calling you dipshit, and it's not reasonable for you to ask me to, dipshit." anyway this post is about nothing in particular

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[–] Apytele@sh.itjust.works 28 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

~~one more report and~~ I'm locking this whole mf thread

I'm not reading my way through 200 comments but I'm locking this so I can keep up with whatever you all report.

My Original Comments:

spoilerI understand this is a controversial topic but y'all need to behave your damn selves

The basics are:

  • This is fundamentally a discussion about hurtful language, including slurs. I don't mind them being mentioned / referenced (in fact I would argue it's important to talk about them), but I'm not going to tolerate them being directed at people. This is y'alls final warning on that. I've removed some comments already but after this I'm just going to start handing out bans.
  • I know there's alternate interfaces for Lemmy, but on the basic version I'm familiar with, under each comment there is a button on the left end of the bar of buttons with three dots and a little arrow indicating additional options. If you press it, you will find that you have the option to "block" other users. This function will make it so that you no longer have to see anything they post or interact with them. This is a fantastic feature that I highly recommend utilizing in the event that someone says something you find upsetting that does not break the rules of this comm or instance.

Please review this educational material for additional instruction if you are still having difficulty with these concepts.

[–] Fontasia@feddit.nl 18 points 2 days ago (2 children)

As an Australian, what the fuck us this cunt talking about

As a trans woman, I've heard this argument used when people want to call me "Bro" or "man". It would probably apply to a number of common slurs too, such as "retard".

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[–] RedSnt@feddit.dk 30 points 2 days ago (1 children)

This is obviously about Australians calling their mates "cunts".

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[–] VerbFlow@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago

"Is it possible to learn this allegory?"

"Not from the Daily Wire."

[–] NeonNight@lemm.ee 33 points 3 days ago (14 children)

I’m personally kind of reminded of how “faggot” and “dyke” are being “taken back” and used jokingly/sarcastically, but I still get really uncomfortable if someone uses them with me. They’ll say “oh I don’t mean it offensively!” But it’s not really up to you to decide what’s offending another person or not.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 7 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Yeah, it's like people say "Please don't call me that," and instead the person who called them that hears "You did something wrong for calling me that," and they get defensive. It's one of those things that, once you notice, you'll see it everywhere. Not just about nicknames. It could be anything. It's like no matter what you say in response they just view it like you're angry or saying they're a bad person. "I know you didn't mean anything by it, but I don't like it and would prefer that you didn't." Nope. Some folks just can't comprehend it. "I know other people are okay with it. I'm not saying you should stop calling them that." Nope! Their ego is now in defense mode lol.

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

instead the person who called them that hears “You did something wrong for calling me that,” and they get defensive. It’s one of those things that, once you notice, you’ll see it everywhere.

And not just about language and people addressing each other.

This phenomenon has been enhanced and amplified with online discussion, so that now we all "choose" to spend our time around people and spaces that reflect how we already feel about a variety of things. So that as soon as you encounter someone outside of that comfort zone who has different preferences, you will see it as stressful and hostile.

In the Great Before Times, when people talked to each other face-to-face, we all learned pretty fast that we need to be compromising and thoughtful and actually listen to each other without presumption of hate or hostility, or we get pushed away from people and end up alone. Or punched in the snotlocker.

[–] NeonNight@lemm.ee 2 points 1 day ago

Yep, you really hit the nail on the head

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 19 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I once had someone tell me very very earnestly that the word Queer - a word I literally marched under in protest - was the worst most horrible slur ever, then turn around and use fruit.

Baby comm members need naptime methinks

[–] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

Some older folks have a genuine visceral reaction to “queer” because, whether it’s been taken back or not, you can’t just psychologically undo a lifetime of that word having been weaponized against you.

[–] epicstove@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Tbf, that word in it's original definition literally means "Weird" or "Unnatural". Like: "A circle in the triangle factory? How queer!"

As for all the other words and their association with LGBTQ I have no clue.

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[–] Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I have one friend who uses the R word and insists it's to reclaim the term, but they almost exclusively use it in a self-degrading manner. They seem to be the only one in their circle that uses the word, and they've had lively arguments over whether or not it's a word to reclaim. I've stayed out of it but when the only person I've encountered who says they're trying to reclaim a slur seems to be using it to degrade themselves, I question if it's worth even trying to reclaim. It's just a word, let it be entirely forgotten to the sands of time like "forsooth" and any other words I don't know because they've left virtually all people's lexicons

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[–] NickwithaC@lemmy.world 23 points 3 days ago (3 children)

New response if TERFism:

"Ok dipshit"

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[–] blind3rdeye@lemm.ee 30 points 3 days ago

Generally being nice to other people is a good thing. It makes the world a nicer place for everyone. And in cases like this, it seems like it is pretty easy to be nice - just don't call that person 'dipshit'. That just seems like a very low-cost way to show the person that you respect them.

[–] lemmydripzdotz456@lemmy.world 67 points 3 days ago (17 children)
[–] Squorlple@lemmy.world 129 points 3 days ago (3 children)

OP is a native of Albany, NY, where everybody refers to hamburgers as steamed hams, even when it comes to their patented family recipes. This is for when OP must meet with other people who are not familiar with the regional dialect, even those from Utica, and are preparing for an unforgettable luncheon.

[–] pruwybn@discuss.tchncs.de 27 points 3 days ago (8 children)

And they call them steamed hams, despite the fact that they are obviously grilled?

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[–] Rozauhtuno@lemmy.blahaj.zone 36 points 3 days ago
  • Slurs in general
  • Misgendering
[–] carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone 64 points 3 days ago (2 children)

the way i interpreted it is that it's about the "but dude/man/bro is gender neutral!" thing, when someone expresses that they don't like being referred to using masculine terms

[–] TTH4P@lemm.ee 54 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I do actually call my mom bro, but if like, a friend or coworker said "don't call me that" I just wouldn't do it.

[–] SARGE@startrek.website 30 points 3 days ago

Yeah, I definitely see those as contextually non-gendered, but the moment someone asks me not to call them a certain thing.... I just don't call them that again, and apologize if I do. It takes almost 0 effort to use a different word.

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[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 42 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (6 children)

Edit: this is tangential to the real point of the post, which is just to not call people things they don't like.

Bro is harder to argue for sure.

And man, unless it's more, "oh man, that's rough" as an excalamatory rather than "good to see you man" is still gendered.

But dude has never been gendered. It was mostly used by guys towards guys, but the origins of that usage (rather than dude ranches or the derogatory term related to that) it was applied to everyone. Dudette came along later but was essentially created because the usage was male dominated, not because dude was gendered. It's one of the rare gender neutral, inclusive slang terms. So much so that when dudette was thrown around, it got rejected as unnecessary, and was sometimes taken offensively. Same with dudina and dudess.

Mind you, the era where it was mostly an underground slang used in African American circles is murkier, since it was underground, less written at the time, and after it got "borrowed" by white kids lost its popularity there.

But when surfer culture picked it up, and it spread via movies, female surfers were called dude, and used it the same way as female surfers. They were just such a minority that the association didn't stick in pop culture because what got seen was Spicoli, and the association with it as being used by guys about guys got absorbed as the primary usage.

There was no gender division in that origin, nor was there a need for it. There simply wasn't a female specific alternative to dude.

Since it is still used inclusively far more than it isn't, it's usually better to assume the best rather than the worst. Someone duding someone in a casual and friendly way is unlikely to be using it as a gendered term. It's more like buddy, or pal, or even mate than something like bro that started gendered and is still predominantly used that way.

[–] salvaria@lemmy.blahaj.zone 30 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I think that your intentions are good, but you're missing the point. If someone doesn't like what you're calling them, just don't call them that. I don't think if someone was called dude and didn't like it, that they would assume the worst, they would just ask you to please not call them that.

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[–] DefinitelyNotAnAlien@lemmy.ml 19 points 3 days ago (5 children)

It’s like when I lived in Miami and everyone called me “gringo” or “flaco.” When I asked them to stop they would say it was endearing. But imagine if I called them “removed” or “fatty” what their reaction would be.

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[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 21 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Reminds me of Nelson Piquet, a former F1 driver, calling Lewis Hamilton a Neguinho when he was talking about current day F1 drivers in an interview. He called every driver by their name except Hamilton. Then Piquet and his brother ofcourse went with the “that’s how we always call each other even my grandma calls me that” defense

[–] CloudheartTV@lemmy.zip 8 points 2 days ago

I thought this was a post about the overuse of “dude”

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 16 points 3 days ago

We started calling my wife's narcissistic psychopathic Russian ex dipshit because we got tired of having to use his name. Now I barely remember his name, it's just dip shit

Then one day she got tired of his crap, beat the shit out of him, so now we just call him dip

[–] Tudsamfa@lemmy.world 28 points 3 days ago

"Could you call me something else, other than Dipshit?"
"Like what?"
"How about sunrise land?"

[–] Beacon@fedia.io 32 points 3 days ago (23 children)

It's a very interesting take that really makes you look at things from a different perspective, but it kinda breaks down if you think about it. If this person really was saying it like a pronoun with no offense intended, and they were using it to refer to half of everyone they spoke to, and it was how other people referred to that person themself too, then it would quickly seem fine to me. If everyone is calling people dipshit all the time then it quickly becomes nothing to care about

[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 22 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I disagree. If I don't like being called dispshit, the thing to do is not call me dipshit. Your intent stops mattering the moment you know how I prefer to be referred to and actively decline to respect it.

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