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[–] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

When did I ever say I was friends with leftists

I get nearly as much hate from them as I do from conservatives

[–] EndlessApollo@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Maybe if you didn't support genocide you'd get a little less hate :3

[–] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] EndlessApollo@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago

OK, I guess you need to work on both the genocide support and the blatant lying, then maybe leftists won't hate you as much

[–] Allonzee@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

I'm a leftist, and I vote for the lesser evil out of harm reduction, with no hope of positive change and just not to be indirectly responsible for there being more political scapegoating by fascists as we collapse due to ~~unchecked encouraged~~ worshipped capitalist greed.

I just wish the Neoliberals would stop pretending a vote for their cocktail of "socially left, economically whatever Wall Street wants" is going to fix anything. Its a vote for "this is fine." which is infinitely better than "hate race/religion/sexuality X, they're why you're miserable!" but still not helpful.

Most of the social issue symptoms we scream at each other about are either caused by or greatly exacerbated by the economy Americans don't get a vote on, as the Neoliberals and the fascists are looooong since legally bribed and paid for with the same economic policy marching orders.

I just wish we could be honest about our elections and what we do and don't get a choice on instead of the absolutely absurdist marketing, another side effect of our socioeconomic greed disease.

Do we want to collapse as we destroy our only habitat (for humans don't worry, even we can't sterilize the earth) and any societal framework between one another with(R) or without(D) a side of race/religious/gender equity wars in the streets being stoked by our greed class captured government?

That's all you have to say. Id rather not have that side dish, so I'm voting Biden again.

[–] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I'll vote for harm reduction if it comes down to it but if democrats want an endorsement they'll have to do more than what they're doing now.

I'm not obligated to encourage anyone to vote for the lesser evil so long as the lesser evil still has an opportunity to be less evil.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I’m not obligated to encourage anyone to vote for the lesser evil so long as the lesser evil still has an opportunity to be less evil.

Wow. Literally saying the quiet part out loud - "As long as the Democrats are not 100% in line with my views, it's okay to endorse inaction and the takeover of a fascist regime on the pretext that the Democrats Aren't Good Enough(tm)"

[–] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

it’s okay to endorse inaction

What part of my comment was an endorsement of inaction?

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I’m not obligated to encourage anyone to vote for the lesser evil so long as the lesser evil still has an opportunity to be less evil.

[–] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

A lack of endorsement for a thing =! endorsement for the opposite thing

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

A lack of endorsement for a thing =! endorsement for the opposite thing

Oh, when there are only two possible choices, it very much is, whether or not you want to confront that. If there is an infant drowning in an ankle-deep pool in front of you, doing anything other than saving the infant is endorsing its death.

Before you is a very simple and very easy choice - fascism, or non-fascism. Yet your kind reject non-fascism, every single time. Curious.

[–] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Oh, when there are only two possible choices

Actually in this context there's at least 4:

  • vote for a candidate AND endorse voting for the candidate
  • don't vote for a candidate AND don't endorse voting for the candidate
  • vote for a candidate AND don't endorse voting for the candidate
  • don't vote for a candidate AND endorse voting for the candidate

Nobody has actually 'voted' for a candidate yet, all anyone has done thus far is endorse or not endorse voting for a candidate. Just as a reminder:

I’ll vote for harm reduction if it comes down to it

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Actually in this context there’s at least 4:

All of which boil down to "Try to rescue the infant" or "Varying levels of letting the infant drown or hoping someone else will spontaneously see the infant and rescue them in your stead"

[–] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

..... Is biden supposed to be the infant?

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Democracy is. I didn't realize that this metaphor was getting too complex for you.

[–] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

And me voicing criticism of democrats is me letting democracy drown?

I'm just trying to get you to be more direct with your metaphor is all.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

And me voicing criticism of democrats is me letting democracy drown?

From "I won't endorse anyone else voting Biden!" to "Voicing criticism". Funny how your position changes now that you're called out. Classic Motte and Bailey.

[–] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

"I won't endorse voting for a lesser evil so long as the lesser evil has opportunity to be less evil"

"lol mOtTe AnD bAiLeY"

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

“I won’t endorse voting for a lesser evil so long as the lesser evil has opportunity to be less evil”

Yes, as pointed out, that's a convenient excuse to not endorse anti-fascism until it lines up perfectly with your view. But then you backtrack to 'Actually I'm just making criticism', which is quite distinctly contradictory.

But hey, since when are fascists internally consistent?

[–] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Only an American would think not endorsing a moderate candidate is the same as endorsement of fascism.

[–] EndlessApollo@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago

Classic pugjesus, accuse people of being fascists for not ignoring genocide (: fuckers like him make it really hard for me to justify voting liberal, I'm sure plenty of other leftists have been turned away bc of liberals trying to defend genocide for Biden's sake