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[–] KinNectar@kbin.run 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

@ooli@lemmy.world tl/Dr "Photoncycle Brandtzaeg holds up a chalk-looking substance: “With this, you can store electricity 20 times as densely as in a lithium battery.”

“We're locking up the hydrogen molecules in a solid to basically fix them. We're using a reversible, high-temperature fuel cell, so we're assisting a fuel cell which both can produce hydrogen and electricity in the same cell,” he says.

That means no need to cool the hydrogen down, making it non-flammable and giving it a higher density than an ion-lithium battery"

[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I wonder what's the volumetric energy density, historically that has been a bigger issue than gravimetric energy density.

[–] abhibeckert@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

The article is light on details, but it claims they're storing the hydrogen as a solid - not as a gas. Solids are generally about a thousand times more compact than a gas.

That's hardly a revolutionary thing - there are hydrogen powered cars on the road and those don't use hydrogen as a gas either. Those cars don't make much sense compared to lithium, but mostly only because there's almost nowhere in the world you buy hydrogen for your car. That's not an issue if you're producing your own hydrogen at home.

[–] First@programming.dev 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

They don't? When the Toyota hydrogen cars were introduced here around 2015, one of the issues were that a full tank of gas would dilute through the tank walls within a week. From the marketing material of the latest Toyota Mirai, it seems that they still use Hydrogen stored in gas form, boasting improvements in a 3-layer tank that is tested for 235% of the pressure that the gas is stored at, compared to 150% for regular gas containers.

[–] philpo@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago

They don't. They use hydrogen fuel cells to generate electric power.

[–] Sightline@lemmy.ml 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] Tvkan@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago

Always has been. In many ways, Lemmy resembles the Reddit of 10 years ago.