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TranscriptA threads post saying "There has never been another nation ever that has existed much beyond 250 years. Not a single one. America's 250th year is 2025. The next 4 years are gonna be pretty interesting considering everything that's already been said." It has a reply saying "My local pub is older than your country".

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[–] Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 day ago

I believe the ottoman empire (1299–1922) would like a word.

[–] Sunflier@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (3 children)

England would like a word. It formed in 927 AD. That means it is 1,098 years old.

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[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 27 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Who did the US get independence from, buddy?

[–] Zess@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The Kingdom of Great Britain, which ceased to exist in 1800 and lasted less than a century.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Use the same definition (unchanged political institutions) and tell me how long the Roman Empire lasted.

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[–] Matombo 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (7 children)

i think the first poster misunderstood a quote and I can't reproduce it anymore either. it was something about no empire lasted more then 250 years? or no government form or something among these lines? it was not about the country disapearing in name or anything, but that it damatically changes in one way or another like completly changing the form of government

[–] Jack_Burton@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

I remember it as most empires collapse before or around 250 years. If I remember the quote correctly it mentioned most not all, and empire not nation or country.

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 27 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Wait till these people find out about Japan.

[–] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 15 points 2 days ago (2 children)
[–] barneypiccolo@lemm.ee 13 points 1 day ago

I used to be in the record business, and worked for a time for a Chinese record company who was releasing indigenous folk and classical music.

Western music traces back about 1000-1200 years, while Chinese music has an unbroken written musical tradition going back several thousands of years.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago (2 children)

China gets a bit fuzzier in between dynasties and revolutions. But there are definitely multiple post-Unification dynasties that lasted longer than 250 years.

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[–] Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org 17 points 1 day ago

There's a certain irony that there are a couple of cases of "my local pub is older than your entire country" in the country in question. For example the White Horse Tavern in Newport, RI.

[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 18 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] barneypiccolo@lemm.ee 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I once read that we are closer to Cleopatra's time than Cleopatra was to the building of the pyramids. Weve got 250 years under our belts, while Egypt had thousands.

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[–] pcalau12i@lemmy.world 25 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (11 children)

While the US is pretty old as a state, most societies have a direct continuation from one state to the next. It's not like when France overthrew its monarchy they stopped being France or seeing themselves as French. So they may see their continuous history as much older than the current state, with the Kingdom of France going back to 987.

The US doesn't have a continuous history prior to 1776 because they mostly come from Britain but they denounce their British heritage and they settled in NA but also denounce the heritage of the local peoples there. So the average American sees their entire history as starting at 1776, maybe a little bit further back to include the initial colonies and that's about it.

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[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Rome lasted for 2,000 years because I consider the Byzantines as true Romans.

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 5 points 1 day ago

So did they, "byzantine empire" is a modern conceit

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[–] Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 34 points 2 days ago (31 children)

France, Switzerland, england, bavaria, brandenburg, vatican, spain, netherlands, denmark, sweden, portugal

I could go on and on

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[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 34 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Man, imagine being so fucking dense you literally ignore the nation that created yours, which is still around. Inglun? Wazzat?

[–] Fluke@lemm.ee 26 points 2 days ago (15 children)

About 15 years ago, I got to go on a road trip across the states. 6 weeks, driving from east coast to west coast.

On more than one occasion, when we were inevitably asked where we were from and dutifully replied "England.", we were met with utterly blank stares.

"Uhhhhhhhh, Engerland?" "You mean New England? Never met anyone from there before..."

"No, England. Old England. The original England, capital city, London. That England."

"London? That's just north of here... I don't get it."

I swear, the sheer ignorance and lack of basic understanding of the geography of our world was fucking staggering in some places. Not always the armpit of nowhere "towns" either.

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[–] rockettaco37@lemmy.world 20 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You guys think it's bad reading all this online?

Try living here...

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I bet outside of the US they have a very different perspective of what it's like living here right now.

Specifically, the fact that things like some of our largest protests ever aren't even being covered inside the states. There are huge public displays thousands and thousands of people being completely ignored by media. I wonder what else we're not being allowed to see here.

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[–] adarza@lemmy.ca 213 points 2 days ago (15 children)

the u.s. is 'young', relative to the world stage, this is true; but its constitution is among the oldest in the world.. and it is starting to show its age.

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 181 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Yeah, this is a misunderstanding among conservatives. Our legal system and government structure is woefully outdated, but our country is really young.

It's like a teen athlete being really proud that he has the oldest sneakers of all the competitors.

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[–] pjwestin@lemmy.world 83 points 2 days ago (5 children)

So, yeah, that first person is a dumb-ass, but that second comment doesn't really prove anything. I live in a 400 year-old town in this 250 year-old country,

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[–] neon_nova@lemmy.dbzer0.com 29 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I've also heard the right say that America is the best and youngest country. Like they seriously think they are the most recent country to be formed.

They also think that America is #1 despite being the "youngest" makes them even extra good.

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[–] JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee 109 points 2 days ago (2 children)

'In the UK, 100 kilometers is a long way. In the USA, 100 years is a long time.'

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[–] ThickQuiveringTip@lemmy.world 19 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Holy fuck. I can't tell if they are a troll or not. Reading that is infuriatingly stupid. No wonder America is in the shemozzle it is now, this idiocy and lack of critical thinking is far too common over there!

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[–] peteyestee 10 points 2 days ago

It probably has a more stable foundation too!

[–] yarr@feddit.nl 12 points 2 days ago (5 children)

This isn't a facepalm. As any red-blooded American knows, the only country worth mentioning is America. Since all countries of note were founded after America, this OP is correct.

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