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[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 147 points 2 days ago (6 children)

KKK stole the outfit from earlier Christian rituals.

[–] TokenEffort@sh.itjust.works 90 points 2 days ago (2 children)

White supremacists stole from another culture? Shocking, that's never happened before

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 46 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

It's their culture too, Americans didn't spontaneously generate as a colony. These outfits are from Europe.

The funny thing is that they had periods where they hated Catholics almost as much as their other targets while pretending to be a holy order of Catholic knights. They were literally the exact same kind of Christo-fascist as modern neo-crusaders but wouldn't let Catholics in.

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[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 36 points 2 days ago (19 children)

Supremacists always appropriate things. Ok symbol, sacred numbers/symbols, clothing, words, deities, and twist it to exclude.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Because fascists have no creativity.

As a general rule at least... I guess you can end up with a Leni Riefenstahl every now and then, but for the most part, if you were a good artist at the time in Germany, you were a target. And I guess one could call Josef Mengele "creative" if you remove all positive connotations from the word.

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[–] Underwaterbob@lemm.ee 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yep. There are still swastikas all over Korea because it's been associated with Buddhists for far longer than Hitler who appropriated it. Freaks out visiting westerners, though.

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 10 points 2 days ago (2 children)

It's not just Buddhists. Asatru, Norse/Germanic cultures, too. It ticks me off we have to give up things sacred to us because they've been misused. Aleister Crowley reveled in it and played it to the hilt, though. Yeats was not amused.

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[–] jollyrogue@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 days ago

Specifically Catholic. It’s a great example of appropriation.

[–] Lemming6969@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

So just a slightly different flavor.

[–] Amberskin@europe.pub 5 points 2 days ago

To give some context, originally a ‘nazareno’ is somebody paying penitence for sins committed since last years Easter. Part of their ‘penitence’ is to march in procession covered with those robes. The ‘capirote’ (the hood) is intended to keep those sinners (that could be important or well known people) anonymous.

I’m not sure if this is still valid today or if it’s now just a performance. Someone from the south of Spain will more about that than myself.

[–] venusaur@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago

So annoying. Same with swastika.

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[–] MrBananaGrabber@lemmy.today 23 points 2 days ago (2 children)
[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 24 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Different country, this is a Dutch tradition. As a Dutch man, this shit is racist as hell and they know it. Anyone who still adores black Pete or dons the blackface is a racist motherfucker.

[–] Cock_Inspecting_Asexual@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Why do they do that shit??

[–] vxx@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

White Santa Claus = good and brings presents

Black Peter = evil and punishes the kids

Netherlands colonised africa.

It has always been racist, there's just no direct proof for it.

These days after protests, they claim it's grime, so they don't paint their faces in black anymore but put some smut on it.

[–] Lolseas@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

Nothing prepared me for this when I moved from the US to NLD. My first year I was so shocked. One Sunny Bergman documentary later (Zwart Als Roet) and I was vindicated. Nuts that it still goes on. Ongeloofelijk (unbelievable)!

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[–] Lucky_777@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

My "niggas!" Oh shit....wait

[–] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 5 points 1 day ago

Kkk*

* laughing in Brazilian.

[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 44 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (9 children)

And this means A-Okay, not whatever the hell nazis decided.

Incidentally, if you're one of the people who changed from this to a thumbs-up to make sure nobody thought you were evil, the thumbs-up gesture in Australia means "up yours". Morally perfect hand gestures aren't easy.

[–] epicstove@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Iirc, wasn't this made a white supremisist symbol specifically after people jokingly or mistakenly called it one?

Like, it was a perfectly okay hand gesture, then some dude on 4chan said it's a racist symbol (Maybe joking maybe not) some people bought into it and real racists started using it as a calling card?

Correct me if I'm wrong.

[–] VanillaFrosty@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

My understanding of the event:

  • 4chan jokes they should pretend the okay hand sign is a white supremacist dog whistle to trigger libs.
  • They do and it works.
  • Online shitters who's whole personality is "triggering sjw's" pick up on this and perpetuate the joke to continue to trigger people.

Basically people getting mad at a joke caused it to become a real thing to some degree. While not a supremacist symbol it was heavily used by them for a time.

[–] Downpour@programming.dev 24 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Australian here. Sorry that's not a thing. Maybe if you gestured the thumbs up in a particular way? (Usually moving your whole arm up and of towards your shoulder? Honestly hard to explain in text). But that's kind of a whole new gesture, not a thumbs up.

Don't be afraid of doing the thumbs up here, we all do it and know what it means.

[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Admittedly my info is a couple decades old. When my college friends studying in Australia tried to hitchhike with their thumbs, drivers angrily returned the gesture. They were later informed that it meant "up yours" and that the correct way was to point an index finger toward where they wanted to go. Maybe years of Americans visiting have changed this.

Funny thing from an Australian friend who moved to Seattle where I live - we used to have a restaurant called Dag's that served "Dag-burgers". She said to her "dags" were little balls of shit clinging to a sheep's fur. She sent home a photo of herself by the sign and her relatives thought it was hysterical.

[–] Downpour@programming.dev 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Ahh there you go, maybe hitchhiking culture was different down here. Although I don't think I've ever seen someone attempting to hitch-hike in my life tbh. Just not something people do anymore I guess. (Maybe it happens in more rural areas).

You're not wrong about your culture spreading though. Halloween wasn't even considered a thing when I was growing up. Now... depending on where you live you get kids attempting it. But it's still a minority. Many grumpy home-owners saying "this isn't America!" still exist.

'Dag' is certainly some aussie slang. Although I've never heard it used like that, I spose that might be its origin (sheep shearers are kind of a historical working class icon here). These days it's probably be more synonymous with "dork", or wearing some unfashionable clothing.

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[–] Geobloke@lemm.ee 16 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Unless you flash it below your waist, then it means you can punch them if they see it

[–] skulblaka@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

How tf did this ever become a thing

Like I know obviously it's just a funny excuse to punch your friend the same way a VW Beetle is but like,

"make a ring with your fingers and hold it near your dick and then call for your friend's attention and then when he gives you attention, proving that he's a good friend that listens to you, laugh at him and then punch him in the kidney"

Does this not seem insane to anyone else, I have to know the etymology of this but I don't know how to look it up

[–] x00z@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Sure wait I got the history. It's a bit long:

History

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[–] harmsy@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

I never used it to begin with. It was always some old-timey gesture I only ever saw in media. The first time I did see it in person, it was used in a "Made you look and now I get to slap you upside the head" sort of game.

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[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 50 points 2 days ago

I got my own little guy I bought as a souvenir in Malaga during Semana Santa (Holy Week) 2013

I call him Miguel

[–] blimthepixie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 46 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I saw the processions for Semana Santa a few years ago in Madrid. My girlfriend knew I hadn't seen this before and didn't tell me just so she could see my reaction.

I was fairly shocked, and asked her what the craic with that was.

She explained the KKK stole the look, and this celebration outdates the KKK by many years.

Probably centuries.

[–] DemBoSain@midwest.social 19 points 2 days ago (5 children)

I was in Spain a few years ago, and decided against certain mementos for this reason. Sorry, it may not be KKK, but I won't display a whirling log in my house for similar reasons..

[–] threeganzi@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)
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[–] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 32 points 2 days ago

not KKK

That is exactly what ... well, what a KKK member would never actually say, so it's legit.

[–] vext01@lemmy.sdf.org 30 points 2 days ago (6 children)

In Spain they are called Nazarenos and are integral to the easter ceremonies of Semana Santa.

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haha they look like candles

[–] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 24 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Didn’t the KKK get their aesthetic sensibility from various medieval/early-modern religious paramilitary organisations like the Spanish Inquisition and the Holy Vehm?

[–] _stranger_@lemmy.world 30 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Like all regressive movements, they're incapable of original thought and constantly steal aesthetic from others. Yes.

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[–] besmtt@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago

If not KKK, why KKK shaped?

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