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Surface Go 2 with 4GB Ram and 4425Y worth it? (feddit.de)
submitted 11 months ago by Prunebutt@feddit.de to c/linux@lemmy.ml
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Hi! There's no Surface on Linux Lemmy community (yet), but I didn't feel like asking on reddit, so I thought that this community is my best bet.

I was thinking about getting a surface go, since I really like the form factor and have fond memories of my old Surface Pro 3 in Uni.

Now, there's a deal going on, where they're selling the tablet for under 300€, but it's the low-spec one with 4GB RAM and the weakest processor. I was wondering if I would be doing myself a favor by getting a tablet with these low-end specs.

My usecases would be: Note taking with rnote/xournalpp, surfing, reading, youtube and maybe some light coding.

A FOSS system with encrypted home directory is essential for me, which is why I'm not even considering Android/Apple tablets.

I think I'd give Fedora Silverblue a shot, because Gnome is supposedly great for tablets and it seems more stable to fuck-ups. But maybe the meager storage space (64GB) makes this infeasible

Do any of you have any experiences with these low specs? Or even with a Surface Go 2 in 2023 daily use?

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[–] krash@lemmy.ml 0 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I have the Go gen 1 with 4 Gb ram, for the exact same user cases ad you described.

The compatibility with Linux is great, but be mindful that you need a Windows installation to boot from USB (!). But the pen and touchscreen works out of the box.

The performance though is not the best, boot can take some time. I'd say forget about YouTube. But light coding and non-demanding websites could work. The form factor is great though... 😊

OP, if you're interested in buying a used one, we could perhaps arrange something, if you live in Europe? Message me in that case.

PS. A Linux surface community would be great, I'd happily join it!

[–] Oxygen9202@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago

be mindful that you need a Windows installation to boot from USB (!)

I have the GO1 with 8GBs and while normal USB boot sticks don't work if I use something like ventoy it works without any issues.

[–] Prunebutt@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago

Thank you, but the other comments have dissuaded me from getting a 4GB device. ;)

[–] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Don't waste your money on a PC with 4GB of RAM that's soldered on the motherboard.

[–] Prunebutt@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Sorry, that's just not a helpful comment. It kind of ignores my usecase.

It's a tablet and I'm not going to use it for big workloads.

If you know of any PCs with stylus support that I can carry in the pockets of my jacket with modular RAM, please do tell.

[–] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You're probably not going to find a tablet with modular RAM, but 4GB will barely run a web browser these days. You will be using swap a lot and that will put a lot of wear on the non replacable SSD.

[–] Prunebutt@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Oof. Didn't even think of the SSD bit. The surface devices are generally good quality but the repairability is apparently atrocious with all these soldered Chips.

[–] Blisterexe@lemmy.zip 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Although the new surfaces have good repairability apparently!

[–] Prunebutt@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago

The SSD is still soldered to the motherboard.

[–] infeeeee@lemm.ee 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

It's a 10" tablet, how big is your pocket?

My bigger concern checking its specs is this:

Storage: 64 GB eMMC Flash, 64 GB

Unlike ram, ssds die after some use. So the lifespan of this device depends on this SD card, eMMC is basically a soldered SD card, a bad quality ssd. I have 3 old tablets with dead eMMC, they are otherwise perfectly fine devices, but unusable for anything

I'm not too familiar with the surface lineup, but iirc there are higher end devices with replaceable ssds. I think soldered ram is not a big deal in this form factor if it's enough for the expected use case, but a soldered hard drive lowers the lifespan of your device

[–] Prunebutt@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago

I have big pockets (in my jacket) ;)

The SSD thing you mentioned is quite a good point. :/

[–] KarfiolosHus@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I'm using a Thinkpad X1 Yoga with touchscreen and stylus support. Works flawlessly with Fedora. Bought the 8 GB version with an 8th gen i7 from a local shop in Vienna for 200€, but there's also a 16 GB one.

I would say that Surface is too old for proper use especially for that price. Have a look around more, and better deals just gonna fall into your lap.

[–] Prunebutt@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I was specifically hoping for something with the 10" form factor. I already have a thinkpad as a laptop and was hoping for something with a smaller form factor.

[–] FQQD@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago

I'm afraid this isn't really the place to ask for such a device. If you ask for any kind of laptop, they pretty much only tell you to buy a ThinkPad X1 Carbon here. Sure, it's probably a great laptop, but not for every usecase.

[–] Strit@lemmy.linuxuserspace.show 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Not x86_64 based, but the PineTab2 and PineTab-V are 2 alternatives. The PineTab2 is aarch64 (ARM) based while the PineTab-V is, you guessed it, RISC-V based.

Both 8 GB RAM versions go for about $210 on their website.

[–] Prunebutt@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Unfortunately, those don't support a stylus. Although I love seeing a RISC-V tablet (although I wouldn't be able to use it, since I'm not a kernel developer ;)

[–] Strit@lemmy.linuxuserspace.show 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

No worries. Just wanted to throw some alternatives your way, since I think €300 is a steep price for a 4 GB RAM tablet with no upgrade option. :) PS: Didn't know stylus support was a thing. TIL about EMR.

[–] Prunebutt@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago

A shame that android/google and apple have the market cornered so much.

[–] Dariusmiles2123@sh.itjust.works 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I have a Surface Go 1 with the 128gb ssd drive that I bought as a cheap computer while I got separated from my ex in 2019. I bought it for around 4-500$ with an included typecover.

While I’m really happy with it, it’s not what I’d recommend as you really need to hook it up to a monitor when you’re at home. It’s powerful enough for me with its 8gb of ram, but the lack of upgradability is a long term problem.

I guess yours sounds too expensive and already lacking in term of specs. If I were you, I’d at least look for a more powerful second hand Surface Go as Fedora runs perfectly on it (except the camera and slow blutooth for the mouse).

[–] Prunebutt@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It wouldn't have been my primary device, but it indeed sounds too expensive now.

[–] Dariusmiles2123@sh.itjust.works 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Also, it ain’t so easy to make it a perfect portable Linux device. Just booting from Usb key without Ventoy is a hassle.

My girlfriend 2012 MacBook Pro was surprisingly easier to get Linuxed.

[–] Prunebutt@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago

There is quite an active Linux on Surface community, so I figured that it's a bit easier to get it running.

[–] narc0tic_bird@lemm.ee 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Not sure I'd recommend getting anything resembling a computer with 4 GB RAM and 64 GB storage nowadays, but it'll certainly still work.

I'd probably start with a minimal Debian installation (or Arch if you prefer being on the bleeding edge I guess) and then add GNOME desktop and whatever else I need afterwards. I don't recommend checking the box that says "GNOME" in the Debian installer, as that installs a whole bunch of packages you'll probably never use, and disk space is at a premium here.

Performance should be doable as long as you don't multitask a lot, but don't expect any wonders as 2 physical cores really isn't a lot these days.

[–] Prunebutt@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago

Thanks for the tips. I guess it's really a bad idea after all.

Here's hoping that the pinetab will be in stock sometime in the future. :)

[–] qaz@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

€300 euro for a device with such low specs seems like a pretty bad deal to me. I just looked online and the first result was a Surface Pro 6 with 8GB RAM and 256 GB of storage for the same price.

[–] Prunebutt@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The form factor is what makes the device so enticing to me. But maybe going used is the way to go.

[–] qaz@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Oh, I thought the Go 2 you described was also refurbished because of it’s specs.

[–] Prunebutt@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I'm quite sure they're new. Out of curiosity: Why do the specs make you think it's refurbished? AFAIK, refurbishes don't change the components. ;)

[–] qaz@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Because those specs don't sound like something you would get on a recent device. I thought 8 GB RAM and 128 GB storage was the minimum now for Windows devices but I guess I'm wrong.

[–] Prunebutt@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago

It's a bit older, but the other comments kind of convinced me that MS just released a severely underpowered piece of hardware as the "budget option".

Kind of untypical for them, especially considering that the surface devices are supposed to compete with ipads and Windows 11 is supposed to run on these things.

[–] Pantherina@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

No way, if you dont already have that, its a complete waste of money. 300€ is not little! I bought a Clevo NV41MZ for that, which has 16GB RAM, 500GB SSD, i7 CPU and is supported by Coreboot

[–] Prunebutt@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I already have a laptop. I was in the market for a small tablet.

[–] Pantherina@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago

Oh didnt know surface also has Tablets

[–] rufus@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I'd say 4GB of RAM is barely enough. It'll probably do for the things you mentioned. But opening a browser and surfing the web, or using modern Electron apps/software will quickly get you to the limit.

Another idea would be buying something second-hand / refurbished. It'll get you better specs for roughly the same money. But probably not a Surface or a tablet, so YMMV with that approach.

[–] Prunebutt@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago

Thanks for the hint. I guess I was a bit over-eager since I've been thinking about getting one for quite some time and now this "bargain" appeared out of nowhere. :/