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As musicians, politicians and fans remember Sinead O’Connor, some Muslims are disappointed that the Irish singer and lifelong activist’s religious identity is not being highlighted in tributes.

UK police on Wednesday said the 56-year-old was found unresponsive in her London residence on Wednesday and that there her death was not being treated as suspicious.

Since the news of her death, Muslim fans of the 90s superstar have said her conversion to Islam, a cornerstone of her identity, was inspiring, but that some media reports have failed to note her religious beliefs in obituaries.

O’Connor, whose chart-topping hit “Nothing Compares 2 U” helped her reach global stardom, converted to Islam in 2018.

“This is to announce that I am proud to have become a Muslim. This is the natural conclusion of any intelligent theologian‘s journey. All scripture study leads to Islam. Which makes all other scriptures redundant,” the songstress tweeted on October 19, 2018.

At that time, O’Connor tweeted selfies donning the Muslim headscarf, the hijab, and uploaded a video of her reciting the Islamic call to prayer, the azan.

She took on the Muslim name Shuhada’ Davitt – later changing it to Shuhada Sadaqat – but continued to use the name Sinead O’Connor professionally.

One social media user said imagery of the singer without the hijab points to the glaring lack of Muslim reporters in newsrooms.

Meanwhile, some said that O’Connor was an inspiration for queer Muslims globally.

In 2000, she came out as a lesbian during an interview. But the singer, who was married to multiple men throughout her life, later said that her sexuality was fluid and that she did not believe in labels.

Some found joy in O’Connor’s conversion growing up, seeing themselves represented, while others, just learning about her Muslim identity at the news of her death, also took inspiration.

O’Connor was no stranger to controversy.

A lifelong nonconformist, she was outspoken about religion, feminism, and war, as well as her own addiction and mental health issues.

In 2014, she refused to play in Israel.

“Let’s just say that, on a human level, nobody with any sanity, including myself, would have anything but sympathy for the Palestinian plight. There’s not a sane person on earth who in any way sanctions what the f*** the Israeli authorities are doing,” she told Hot Press, an Irish music magazine.

Her iconic shaved head and shapeless wardrobe defied early 90s popular culture’s notions of femininity and sexuality.

In 1992, she ripped up a photo of Pope John Paul II during a television appearance on Saturday Night Live, vocal against the Catholic Church’s history of child abuse.

The late former star was also a firm supporter of a united Ireland, under which the United Kingdom would relinquish control of Northern Ireland.

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[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

This is the natural conclusion of any intelligent theologian‘s journey. All scripture study leads to Islam. Which makes all other scriptures redundant

What? Very interested to how she came to that conclusion, considering that the New Testament basically invalidates Islam as the Qur'an claims the New Testament agrees with it and holds it in judgement

[–] ChrisRo@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago

Tbh. I think religion should always be a private thing and should have no place in public.

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Listen, I love Sinead, but she had some serious mental health issues. She became a catholic priest after lambasting the catholic church over child sexual abuse, then left the catholic church, then converted to Islam in 2018? I think if we want to completely divulge every single issue she had in her life, it does a disservice to her memory. From my perspective, there's no reason other than mania that I can think of why someone like her would convert to a faith like Islam.

[–] Nowyn@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Islam as religious text basis doesn't really differ in a bad way from the other two Abrahamic religions. It even gives some extra rights to women that Christianity and Judaism don't. Forcing hijab on women is also expressively banned in Islamic theological texts. Doesn't change how it works in practice as forced hijab is pretty common in fundamentalistic Islamic theocracies. But might explain why converting is a little bit less insane than at the surface level. If I had to choose one of the Abrahamic religions on a purely theological basis I might end up choosing Islam. Please note, I am not trying to give a pass to Islam, Islamic countries or especially fundamentalist Muslims. The issues are myriad. People outside Islamic countries just have a somewhat skewed image of the religion. Both in theory and practice.

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 1 points 2 months ago

Islam has a completely different God to Christianity. Despite both being monotheistic, Christianity worships a triune God and believes that Jesus was a personage of God. It also rejects Jesus' death and other historical knowledge of Jesus.

It also completely invalidates Islam in the eyes of the Qur'an

[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

She became a catholic priest

That doesn't sound right.

[–] Hawk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It was a not officially recognized sect

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There are no unofficial Catholic sects. By definition, if you're not official, you're not Catholic. They're allowed to define that.

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 1 points 2 months ago

The word "Catholic" just means universal. Most Christians claim to be Catholic as well, such as Anglicans, as they see themselves as descended from the Church of the Apostles. You'd really have to get into restorationism or people simply misunderstanding the faith to find those who don't. Although whether or not they are Roman Catholic, as in, seeing the authority of the Bishop of Rome as Pope, is a different thing.

[–] joe@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I have to admit that I always thought she was agnostic, if not atheist, from that Pope stuff.

I idly wonder why a gay feminist would convert to Islam. Aren't those things incompatible? Is this my ignorance showing? Are there sects of Islam that are more open minded, like there are sects of Christianity?

[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah - her anger was directed at the church not religion. Wearing a hijab, however, seems completely irrational for a feminist. But doing something people don't expect to get attention and make people mad is definitely on-brand.

[–] Syndic@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wearing a hijab, however, seems completely irrational for a feminist.

If it's her own free choice, I see absolutely no contradiction there.

[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I see absolutely no contradiction there.

Then I doubt that I could explain to you why it is.

[–] Syndic@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Let me guess, "It's a symbol of oppression!"?

If so, then my reply is that she certainly didn't think of it as such. And when it comes to what she wants to wear, her view is much more valid than and outsider.

Many western men have forced wives and daughters to not wear revealing cloths. That doesn't make a loose pullover an instrument of oppression. The intent and reason of the person wanting to wear something is all that matters.

[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Bubba the redneck doesn't think of his confederate flag as a symbol of oppression.

But it's not up to him to determine that now is it?

[–] Syndic@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago

One is a flag, literally a symbol of a group or a state of oppression and the other is a widely used religious garment where millions of women wear it out of their own free choice. Context matters.