I've seen a lot of individuals like this in my life.... "I don't want to play, so the game is over". No dude, you're welcome to not participate, but you're not the life of this group.
this post was submitted on 19 Apr 2025
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It's also anoying when the oposite happens. You can't join? Then we will cancel. Just fkin do it. You don't need me every time.
Isn't it beatiful how none of us do or could ever matter? But why does orange man get to have such influence. No one should matter in this world, that's the point!
Fuck China too
We (the west) helped them become who they are. We relocated all our production there because they were cheap and didn't mind throwing a bunch of poor people into the grinder. Arguably, the fastest and most efficient way for them to get out from under our thumb was authoritarian rule. Democratic rule would've been torpedoed by the US or one of its European vassals in favour of an authoritarian one we installed.
The world could've looked very different had the US not meddled in a lot of countries. Here's an entire list that probably has about 70 countries on it.
had the US not meddled in a lot of countries
Hold on a sec, you can't get off the hook that easy, Europe
Democratic rule would've been torpedoed by the US or one of its European vassals in favour of an authoritarian one we installed.
Literally the sentence above it
That sentence still makes it sound like you think the US has been unilaterally directing western colonialism, but European nations have independently taken the initiative on that quite a bit
It's ridiculing the lack of agency European countries chose to have when being pulled into various wars and missions with the US. The comment additionally starts off with "We (the west)". If Europe doesn't belong to "the west", then where do they belong to?
That sentence takes away agency from those European "vassals". The British and French empires still exist to this day. They conduct their own foreign policy and are in charge of their own internal security and territorial integrity.
The person you're responding to is absolutely right.
Funny how you are able to use hyperbole without recognising it yourself.
Well, no - they definitely don't still exist. Their marks are still left on the places they once subjugated, sure, but they definitely do not exist anymore.
Tell that to northern Ireland, Scotland, Gibraltar, French Guiana or Polynesia.
Both countries still have overseas territories all over the world. It doesn't matter how hard you, they or anyone else tries to legitimize those colonies, that's still what they are.
Why were the French using the Polynesian islands as nuclear testing grounds up through 1996? Would the French government be so lax with testing in their own country? No - that's why they did it in a colony with 200,000 brown people instead.
Sadly a better partner than the USA currently.
No. Just because the US has become worse than before and China didn't, even if the US closed in on how bad China is, that doesn't make China better than the US. More reliable, yes, but not better.
Reliability is a big part of a good trading partner. Also helps if you can be reasoned with.
Cheap (slave) labor is also good for trade I guess. And an authoritarian regime is nice for stability.
Are you talking about USA or China?
Doesn't matter.
To be fair, dictatorships are brittle, they are 100% stable up until suddenly they collapse.
Just look at assad.
China seems to be lawful neutral. Much easier to deal with than USA's current chaotic evil.
Neutral??
Lawful??
Compared to USA, yes. Their own logic and code they follow.
Head empty. No thoughts.
Doesn't help that the stupid simple DnD system can't possibly give a decent explanation of the differences between the USA and China.
But yes, the USA is currently more threatening towards Europe and Canada than China is. The USA is also significantly more chaotic/unpredictable/unreasonable/insane.
On which points do you think the current USA government is better than China's one?
Did I say that?
It seems so since you disagreed with my initial comment.
What I say is that we shouldn't trade extensively neither with China nor the US. Fuck China, fuck the US.
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In the 80s, 90s and early 00s the left was against globalism, so it's extremely weird to see things being reversed...
“The left” is not a monolith.
The left was very much all anti globalization. Globalization was implemented by the likes of Thatcher and Reagan to save on salaries, the left was pro workers.
And now globalism is generally more good than bad, isolationism isn't going to fix anything. Seems perfectly rational for left wing people to change their view when circumstances change.
More good than bad? Manufacturing jobs for people who don't pursue higher education have disappeared from the first world leading to the slow death of the middle class, third world countries see their people becoming slaves that make products they'll never be able to afford in order to feed the Western world all the things it wants without having to pay the labor required to make it, Africa can't get out of the shit it's in because its agriculture isn't based on feeding itself...
Yeah, globalism is awesome if you're an office worker with university level education and you like to buy shit.
Globalism is good for consumerism.
For the consumerism of a small minority by exploiting a majority if you look on a global scale
Very true.
„Hoch die Internationale Solidarität!“ (Cheers to international solidarity)
Fyi, China is not in that crowd. China is at least as bad as the US. It just knows it can't afford to pull the same stunts. They are still an imperialistic shithole.
Honestly in what way would China be considered better?
They check all the boxes:
- Malicious Trade and Finance shenanigans
- Dictatorship
- Militant Expansionists
- Constant Psyops
- Supporting horrible militant factions across the globe
- Run by racial supremacists
- Cracks down on non-official religions
- Massive polluters (used to have the excuse of low emissions per capita until they started reversing policies meant to limit capita)
Every bad thing you can say about the USA goes for China and then some.
Yeah I guess we’re gonna get bombarded more with Chinese propaganda soon as they’ll try to replace the US as our new daddy
One of those things, does not belong with the others lol.
The "Christians" who take the Bible literally actually do believe that globalism is evil. But that's what happens when your religious texts were written first by nomads, then by a civilization that regularly got conquered, and finally a cult that was persecuted by the Romans.
No, the "Christians" who oppose trade clearly have never even read the Bible, or even just the New Testament. Jesus spent a lot of time telling people to love the stranger, the traveler, and the alien. To treat a foreigner in your land as kindly as you would your brother. Modern Republicans have completely abandoned the teaching of the actual historical Jesus.
That's now considered socialist and/or weak by these people. Not my words, they've says this to their own pastors. They're not Christians in anything but name and self-delusionment.
Yay! Canada's included in the joke!
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