There are no centrists when one side is fascism.
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The problem is you think anyone to the right of Stalin is a Nazi.
Edit: I'm glad my manic commenting this morning sparked such wonderful debate.
Many major gov'ts currently have major parties courting fascists or are just outright Fascist. Like, have you not been paying attention?
And? Did I say that wasn't happening? Believe it or not, refusing to engage in diplomacy doesn't make the problem go away. And they say centrists bury their heads in the sand.
I do listen to "both" sides! That's exactly why I'm a leftist!
I don't get why centrists think that you have to be "centrist" to listen to both sides, or why doing so makes you a centrist.
I think their point is that you can get more done with compromise than with strict adherence to your principles. Being right doesn't mean much of shit if nothing gets done about it.
Compromise only works if both sides are acting in good faith and acutally are trying to get shit done. If one side is actively trying to tear the whole democratic system down then it will just result in a slow decline if the other side compromises.
The same reason most smart non rich Republicans say they're Libertarians: so no one will give them shit.
Thing is, any reasonably person has by now realised that the Venn diagram of Libertarians and Conservatives is nearly a circle.
One of the worst things we liberals did, including me is not fighting this Republican rot at the start with the ferocity it deserved.
I remember during the Bush years, while republicans were infesting every level of government and calling liberals demons and Unamerican and enemies... We chuckled at them and laughed along Jon Steward how silly these republicans were, while sitting at home complacent. All our leaders kept spouting bipartisanship as the ultimate goal... Meanwhile Republican talkshow hosts were calling Democrats America's #1 enemy...
We didn't sense the danger and the massive damage their propaganda was doing to the next generation and to every level of government.
Now we've arrived at Trump... And fighting back now is infinitely harder.
It reminds me of climate change.... We saw the problems early, yet did nothing and now that we have to do something it's so much more painful and some of it likely unfixable.
But South Park showed us that Al Gore was a weird nerd who was afraid of something that doesn’t exist! hahaha ManBearPig he’s super cereal!!!
iirc. the South Park creators were republican voters. I have no idea how that fits with casually showing up at some gala high as kites on acid.
Since when are the leftists right?
Takes deep breath Democratic vs Autocratic systems Dangers of Fascism(WW2) Slavery Woman (voting) rights Workers rights Racial Segregation Vietnam Abortion rights Invasion of Iraq Banking Crisis(Lack of Regulation) Pollution Ozone Layer Climate Change Infinite Growth, Resources, yada yada
Just a little excerpt
Basically every major crisis in the last 100+ years was well forseen by leftists pointing at it saying "guys this will definitely go wrong" and there were always people shouting "shut up you little sissy treehugger" at them
Theory: they know. They know we're in trouble, that we need to take action, that we can fix the problems. They know that they're wrong and that they're making things worse, but they don't care about being right or making the word better, they only care about winning. To change is to admit defeat and, therefore, lose, so the only way to win is to make sure that your opponents lose too.
I think it's even easier than that. Remember when you left your dirty dishes in the sink yesterday and thought that's a problem for the tomorrow guy (or girl)? That's them, on a global scale, all the time.
As someone debating if I should wash the dishes before I go to bed right now, this hurt. I am going to the kitchen and do it, but for this evening at least I am not going to like you. (joking, thank you, tomorrow me will thank you too!)
Literally arguing for a middle ground between correct and incorrect because they reflexively have to make themselves look like the reasonable center whenever the left/right dynamic comes up on the internet.
No thought into the response it's just Pavlovian centrist drooling.
The "others" think they are correct too. It's simple tribal politics.
I think the point is that if one side is correct and the other side is incorrect (regardless of which side that is) then someone with that point of view cannot possibly be centralist.
To be centralist you would have to conceive the both sides have a point. Centralists like to claim that they listen to both sides and then make an opinion on who to support, but they don't, they just stick around in the middle. They never actually commit to one side or the other, because if they did that they wouldn't be centralist anymore and they wouldn't be able to be on their high horse.
Except life isn't black and white and rarely is one side "wrong" and the other side "right".
Committing to "the truth" is simplifying a grey universe which contains millions of those truths. You can't be certain which is right and which is wrong.
Committing to “the truth” is simplifying a grey universe which contains millions of those truths. You can’t be certain which is right and which is wrong.
There are a lot of grey areas, but racism and fashism is just wrong, there is nothing grey about it. Trump either won the election or he didn't, one is a truth and the other is a lie, there cannot be two truths. You are either pregnant or not. You are alive or dead. Just because there are grey areas does not mean that every area is grey. If you have to construct grey areas to avoid committing to the truth, then you are on the side of the lie.
And if you know exactly where the truth is, and you still vote for the lie, then you are in bed with the liar and getting his flies.