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They exchanged text messages and emojis. Brief status updates with words of encouragement. A picture of the beloved family dog "Tutsi."

Until no more messages came.

And then, Cindy Flash, an American, and her Israeli husband Igal vanished into the violence, presumed kidnapped by Hamas.

Four days after Hamas attacked Israel, more than 100 Israelis and potentially dozens of foreign nationals are thought to be held captive in the Gaza Strip. At least 14 U.S. citizens have been killed and an unknown number are still unaccounted for.

Flash, 67, originally from St. Paul, Minnesota, is one of them. She lives in Kfar Aza, a kibbutz in southern Israel near Gaza, where some of the most harrowing and grisly stories have been emerging during the last few days.

"They are breaking down the safe room door," Flash said in one of her final messages to her daughter Keren, 34. "We need someone to come by the house right now." She had been communicating with her parents from a few houses away.

Keren described her mother, who worked as an administrator in a local college, as someone who had the "sweetest biggest heart," who everyone knew and loved, and who had spent a lifetime advocating for the rights of Palestinians, including those who live in Gaza where she may now be held.

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[–] avater@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (22 children)
[–] flossdaily@lemmy.world -1 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Palestinians knew who they were when they elected them.

[–] zaph@sh.itjust.works 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

20 years ago. Around half of today's population didn't vote and of the ones that did many didn't vote for hamas. Find a new way to blame innocent people, this one doesn't work.

[–] mycatiskai@lemmy.one 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Half of the population is below 19 years old. So they weren't even born when Hamas was elected.

The average age of Palestinians is 19. The average age of Israelis is 30. That tells you one thing, that you don't live a long life if your Palestinian.

[–] Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Living in what human rights groups and the UN describe as an open air prison under bombarded from a neighboring country isn't exactly the best thing for life expectancy.

Roughly 2.3 million people live on the Gaza Strip out of the roughly 5 million people living in Palestine BTW, which is the area currently being bombarded by Israel in response to the terrorist attack by Hamas.

[–] flossdaily@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I wouldn't put a lot of stock in how the United Nations describes anything to do with Israel. Their bias is of the charts.

Remember, this is an organization that officially denounced Israel for human rights violations 20 times in one year, and for every other nation on Earth, with all the modern slavery, sex trafficking, genial mutilation, honor killings, murder of LGBTQ, marriage and rape of 7-yr-girls, denying basic education to women, forcing women to fully cover their bodies, mass incarcerations, etc,etc... For all the rest of the world, 6 denouncements.

So yeah, the UN is not a serious organization when it comes to Israel.

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] flossdaily@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Any organization that calls Israel "apartheid" is comically biased.

Israel is the only country in the region where a lesbian Muslim woman can vote, get an education and hold elected office.

Claiming it's apartheid is like claiming the US was apartheid when occupying Iraq because we didn't allow Iraqis to be citizens of the US.

Words have meanings, and the accusation is demonstrably absurd.

[–] Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I can't help but notice your only issues here is with how terms are used in regards to Israel and Palestine but not with the bombardment of Gaza in response to a terrorist attack from Hamas. A place where nearly half of Palestine's population lives.

Do you not have an issue with Israel's response or something?

[–] flossdaily@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I have no idea who Israel is targeting, but if history is any guide, it is Hamas terrorists.

And Hamas terrorists make it a POLICY to hide among civilians.

For now, I'm giving Israel the benefit of the doubt because they have very much earned it.

[–] tryptaminev@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I have no idea who Israel is targeting, but if history is any guide, it is Hamas terrorists.

Then you were living through an alternate timeline. Israel has killed more than 10.000 Palestinian civillians since 2008 before this weekend. Now they have declared the Palestinians animals when announcing the blockade starving them to death now.

Also they told the Palestinians to flee into Egypt and then bombed the road close to the border crossing.

[–] flossdaily@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I don't dispute your numbers. But Israel has been in a non-stop battle against terrorists who use their own people as human shields. So I put the civilian death toll squarely where it belongs: at the feet of the terrorists.

I've seen ZERO evidence that Israel has ever as a matter of policy targeted innocent civilians. In the contrary, I've seen Israel go out of it's way to send text messages to civilians to give them time to evacuate. I've seen they drop lead weights on rooftops as a warning to the people inside you get out before actual missiles come.

I've never heard of any other nation doing that. Never. They are knowingly letting terrorists escape because it spares civilian lives.

[–] tryptaminev@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago

Just last year the IDF murdered a journalist. The illegal settlers are getting armed and protected when they assault people and Israel allowed the storming of the Al Aqsa mosque this year.

The human shield argument is also just absurd in its inhumane cynicism. "Oh look we are bombing a densely populated area. So all the people dying there were used as human shields by the terrorists who are also from that area, because we have blocked it all off. Look at what the terrorists made us do!" With this logic you can justify the annihilation of any civilian population, claiming there were military targets nearby.

Israel has every possibility to avoid the death of civillians by going in on the ground directly instead of bombing things to rubble. But that is a tactical disadvantage so they full well knowingly bomb civillians.

They also targeted numerous UN hospitals and medics, killing at least 11 so far in the current campaign. They do secondary bombings onto areas targeted before, so rescue operations are hindered.

These are all actions that speak of total disregard to civillian life and taking away their responsibility from it is absurd. In that reasoning any nation has the right to commit countless atrocities because at some point another nation did it before to them.

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Israel knew who Netanyahu was when they elected him.

[–] flossdaily@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Sure. And Netanyahu is a right-wing asshole. But he isn't a terrorist.

You see the difference?

[–] OneOrTheOtherDontAskMe@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I'm not here to argue semantics, Hamas are terrorists, Netanyahu is a terrorist.

[–] Browning@lemmings.world 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

If a terrorist is someone who attacks civilians for political aims, then yes.

[–] tryptaminev@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago

That is pretty much textbook. Someone or some party that uses violence and the threat of violence to create fear in the pursuit of political goals.

Problem is that applies to most nation states that are active on the global scale. So the political use can be reduced to "terrorists are always the others"

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