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Coming from a district court, I think this ruling could be appealed, but it's welcome news nevertheless.

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[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 95 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (22 children)

It's still an excellent idea to power off your phone whenever you are in the vicinity of a border guard and never voluntarily unlock it anywhere close to the border. You can't (generally) be compelled to unlock your phone but you absolutely can have an unlocked phone grabbed out of your hands by a border guard with no legal right to lock it.

[–] leds@feddit.dk 50 points 1 month ago (3 children)

never voluntarily unlock it anywhere close to the border.

Isn't that defined as 100 mile from the border (including international airports)

[–] doingthestuff@lemmy.world 29 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I believe it's 100 miles from the border including coastlines but does not include a 100 mile radius around international airports. I don't remember the source but Ive seen a map that represented it that way.

Also worth noting, this ruling only benefits citizens in that specific district, as other districts aren't bound by its rulings. Personally I'd recommend having a 2nd device you can use to record your interactions because if they violate your rights your chances of getting their body cam video of it aren't great.

[–] skeezix@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago (2 children)

What if you’re 99 miles and 5279 feet from the border while being questioned? Can you take one more step and be safe?

And are those statute miles or nautical miles?

[–] ShepherdPie@midwest.social 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They'll probably claim "hot pursuit" as a justification for arresting you.

[–] aodhsishaj@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Evading arrest is likely the charge, however I'm being pedantic.

[–] ShepherdPie@midwest.social 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Sorry I meant hot pursuit would probably be the justification for why they'd be allowed to chase you outside their jurisdiction

[–] aodhsishaj@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Sure, like I said I was being pedantic.

[–] PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It would depend on where they initiated contact. For instance, let’s say a cop from City A pulls someone over on the boundary with City B. Even if you pull over on City B’s side, it’s still a valid stop because they initiated it (turned their lights on) while still within their own legal jurisdiction. Even though you’re outside of their jurisdiction at the moment, what matters is that they first initiated contact when it was legal to do so.

[–] skeezix@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Not according to Dukes of Hazzard logic.

[–] sparky@lemmy.federate.cc 19 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

100 miles from the border or coastline is like 90% of the population of the country. And I assume that’s a feature, not a bug.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

To add, the Great Lakes count as coastline because you can navigate to an international boarder from any of them. That's how you cover the vast majority of the US population with this loophole.

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Not because nearly every major population center is next to a coast?

[–] frezik@midwest.social 3 points 1 month ago

You get a lot of the population by that alone. You get 90% by including the Great Lakes.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

So I should be glad I'm in Indiana for once?

I'll take it.

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I’m not in that quarter thankfully. Look, let me take my wins when I can. I’m in Indiana.

[–] SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I’m in Indiana.

Hey, at least you’re not in Ohio.

[–] doingthestuff@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

I'd rather be in Ohio than Indiana. They're both terrible but in slightly different ways. I always cringe a little when I go into Indiana but I have been to some great concerts around Indianapolis.

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