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[–] gmtom@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago (16 children)

Ah yes, the millions of innocent palestianians that had their homeland taken from them and are now being bombed are literally just ask guilty as the people doing the invading and bombing. Very enlightened take.

[–] Kidplayer_666@lemm.ee 0 points 11 months ago (15 children)

My take is very simple:

-are they actively targeting civilians? If yes then bad:

      -Israeli government- yes, then bad.

      -Hamas- yes, then bad.

-are they following what is recognised as international law (namely the 1993 Oslo agreements):

      -Israeli government- while they formally recognise Palestine as a state, they have consistently undermined the Palestinian authority and occupied much of the West Bank without a plan for either self governance or leaving, settling parts of the West Bank aggressively, therefore bad.


       -Hamas- does not recognise Israel in any way and openly calls for its destruction, therefore bad.
[–] snek@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (14 children)

I think the only reason Israel should exist today is that people already live there and it would be a mistake to force them out and create more displacement. That being said, Israel, a supremacist ethnostate, should never have had the right to exist... You shouldn't exist if you have to build your fucking country on the mass graves of the native people, and then you are so deep in this shit you have to develop tech to be able to apartheid them all behind walls and systems and bullets, starving and dying. No, an entity like that should not deserve to exist. I still have hope that some reasonable Israelis will turn this all around, and Israel will stop being a genocidal mission.

[–] jasondj@ttrpg.network 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

You shouldn't exist if you have to build your fucking country on the mass graves of the native people, and then you are so deep in this shit you have to develop tech to be able to apartheid them all behind walls and systems and bullets, starving and dying. No, an entity like that should not deserve to exist.

Just for curiosity, are you American?

Because you literally just described America.

[–] snek@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

No. You'll be shocked, I'm Palestinian.

[–] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

For that you know awfully little about the history of the area. Or you just love propaganda.

[–] snek@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Yeah I fucking love all that "propaganda" from HRW and the UN.

[–] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago

The UN, which includes the HRW, have a historic bias against Israel that is an ongoing topic. They admitted so themselves in the past and have been called again and again to justify their strong bias that shows, among other things, in the fact they find the majority of all human rights offenses in Israel.

The focus on Israel from the UN stems form the fact that the majority of it's members states are anti-democratic and their council is dominated by oil states and muslim states who see Israel as a thorn into their side.

While I wouldn't call everything from the UN as propaganda, they are definitely not a neutral source for information.

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