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Everything depends on the central government in China, whether it is a cooperative, a listed company, or a single person critical of the CCP. In tbe end, nothing happens without a highly centralized government.
I think it's hard to tell and would advise against bombastic blanket statements like this, especially on China. We're talking about one billion people and the world's largest economy, after all. Our ability to clearly analyze China is hindered by its own opaqueness, but one should not forget the thick layer of propaganda we in the West are served whenever we're talking about one of the so-called strategic adversaries.
I posted a link above, there's enough information available and certainly more than one can post here. In a nutshell: nothing good ever comes from an authoritarian regime.
There you go again making blanket statements, giving you a look of either being a little daft and unnuanced or some kind of propagandist. "Nothing good", unless you count biggest lift of people from poverty in history. Imagine two people being born in the sixties in India and China respectively. Both are dirt poor back then. Today one will still be poor, still in a third world country, while the other drives EVs, get their power from worlds largest green energy infrastructure, has working public services, best train system, etc.
I will happily imagine. Will you?
China: 55 million dead.
India: not.
Please note that the 55 million estimate is from a CCP party school official, not from a western historian - thus we can safely conclude that the number may well be higher.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Chinese_Famine
And I say this as someone as far left as left goes. We must not be blind to the crimes that have been committed, and are being committed, by terrible dictatorships that hide behind the ideas of Marx.
China is a state capitalist dictatorship engaged in genocide as we speak. Whether or not they have the audacity to call themselves socialist, or even communist, does not change their crimes.
This is much like beginning a comment with "I'm not racist, but", with the inevitable horrible racism that follows. Your comment is such a gross simplification of history and dismissal of context, that it borders on the malign. For instance the number in your source says 15-55 million, not 55 million. The ideological broadside is very apparent. Facts not feelings, to paraphrase a broken clock.
These are just three aspects of context, of many, which you could have chosen to inform your comment. In stead it is perpetuating a US-vs-Them cold war, black and white rhetoric, making the West out to be exceptionally good, while China is entirely bad. Smart people smell the lies included in such oversimplification a long way. You run fast and loose with your facts, presenting allegations of Uyghur genocide as fact, while you probably know how the UN will not call it that, after long running and thorough investigations, a lack of evidence, etc. On the other hand, we in Europe are very much facilitating the ongoing genocide in Palestine, of which there is ample coverage.
Your statement is incorrect. I will quote for you.
There is so much irony in this sentence, that if it were edible, could feed the people Mao killed and then some.
Much of the rest of your response jumps back and forth between ad hominem, whataboutism, non sequitur, false equivalence and condescension to such an extent that it does not warrant a reply.
Incorrect. It is the second or third largest, behind the USA and the EU, depending on whether you count the EU as one economic entity.