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Context for DiEM25:
They partially blame NATO for the Ukrainian war for playing "geopolitical games": https://diem25.org/diem-tv/how-to-end-the-war-in-ukraine/
All Ukrainian territory occupied up to February 2022 should fall to Russia with Ukraine expected to give up further 100km inland along this border for a demilitarized zone: https://diem25.org/diem25-has-plan-for-peace-ukraine/
I'm all for calling out the Netanyahu government in particular for the treatment of the civilian population in Gaza and fully support ending all Western military support for that campaign but I don't trust DiEM25 based on what I know about them. That said, unless there is definitive proof of "Volksverhetzung", a liberal democracy should even let wackos speak out their opinions.
Ok so I've looked into various sources, and it looks like the police is concerned for the safety of ppl at the DiEM as well as civilians around it.
Because of that, they prohibited specific inflammatory and incendiary words and language as to prevent the discussion from escalating into violence in Berlin.
Listening to some of the things that were said before they issued the ban, it is clear that some of the speeches were radical or very much pushing the envelope.
Now there is some confusion about where the ban on specific language came from - police refers to the Senate, Senate refers to other parties (and that's not great), but it's not as if the police just felt like it or as if there was some shady stuff going on behind the scenes.
I am a German from Berlin, so I am very concerned when I hear stuff like this, and that's why I had to look it up and dig into it to some degree. I wish the international press did a more thorough job, because if it didn't take me that long to find a different account, that means they didn't do their job and I don't like that.
Doing a thorough job risks the sensational headlines though.
In the past I allways kept my eyes on DiEM25 as a possible party to vote at some point in future. But in my opinion they went the completly wrong way for a while now. You brought some good reminders for why to better let them stay unimportant.
IIRC Volt is still out there if you're looking for a Pan Euro party, I don't know their policies other than federal europe but that's what Diem25 was before they evidently went loco sooooo...
And the Pirate Party also has a common European election programme that's shared between the European pirate parties for the EU elections. So there are multiple alternatives to Diem25
Yes I agree. I went to some Diem25 events a couple of years ago (before all the recent crises) and their program for Europe did seem interesting. But this is just stupid, thanks for showing me why I shouldn't vote for you