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[–] seacocker@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I have come here for a climate demonstration, not a political view

What he really means is that he only wants to hear about one slice of a political view, or he doesn't understand that climate change is a political subject too.

[–] SamVergeudetZeit@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

No it's not! Fighting climate change can be addressed as legitimate issue to fix from both sides of the political spectrum. Talking about the gaza conflict and picking an arbitrary side, does nothing except, drive potential fff supporters away. People will hate Greta and everything she stands for even more. Only for virtue signaling points on social media.

[–] LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Nah. She is spot on when she says that a movement for climate justice cannot ignored the marginalized, the oppressed, and those fighting for justice and freedom.

Those who would hate her for being anti-genocide and anti-apartheid are already very unlikely to be allies to the climate justice movement, a movement that highlights the way that impoverished peoples and nations, especially non-white non-european equatorial and global south nations, are uniquely suffering the consequences of climate change.

[–] SamVergeudetZeit@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

But this is such self pleasuring ineffective rhetoric. People in the first world which is the group you wanna adress. So western (not necessaryly white) rich people who enjoying their comforts in the first world. If you want them to actually do something. Like sell their car and become vegan. You have to show them climate change hitting their home turf. Pictures like Italy and Greece Burning for Europeans, smoke covered NYC, etc. If you talk about a "climate justice" movement, in which the main message is, "dont you care about the brown poor people?" you denigrate this catastrophy as an UNICEF Donation event. No one will give up their SUV for that.

Now the Gaza Conflict is complex and polarizing for muslims and Israel supporters, in which you can only make a bad choice, people will turn away and ignore whatever you are trying to sell.

[–] LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Greta, like many climate activists, is not appealing to rich people. Rich people will never comply with climate regulations. They are almost all sociopaths who do not fucking care if global warming continues to worsen or not. Greta is appealing to the people of the world, people of the working class. There are many of us and the rich are very few. Billionaires and the wealthy will have to be forced to stop destroying the environment by the nation's they exist in.

She's also a socialist. As most climate activists are. We don't give a shit what rich people think. They should be forced to comply. They will never comply of their free will.

[–] SamVergeudetZeit@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

This is such a deranged worldview. Progressive liberals and leftists are the rich people! California is a democratic bastion and filled to the brim with progressives and its one of the richest states in the nation. George Soros and Bill Gates support progressive causes. How can you not see that. And shes is definitely not pondering to working class people. Because working class people support political parties which have climate change denying tendencies. Like the republican party and the afd in germany.

Another example from my home turf. Bavaria is the richest state in Germany. BUT also very conservative. Wealth is concentrated around munich. The wider you go away from munich. The "poorer" the population. Last month were the state elections of Bavaria. And the turnout in Munich was nearly 50% for the green party. The wider you distanced yourself from it, the more right wing parties profited. Which used anti green bashing as their main rhetoric. Poor working class people dont vote green en masse.