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[–] jmsy@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

How should they react to Hamas' desire to exterminate them?

[–] shrugal@lemm.ee 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Maybe not by mass murdering innocent civilians?

Defending yourself and annihilating an entire people are two different things.

[–] hh93@lemm.ee 0 points 11 months ago (2 children)

They told them to evacuate and Hamas told them to stay put which many did.

So what's your suggestion?

Going in there with the army on the ground? That will probably result in even more casualties.

Hamas is just evil with how they planned their bases around hospitals, churches or civilian buildings because they know that it's impossible to target them without having civilian casualties. That's the whole point.

So Israel should just ignore that Hamas specifically targeted schools and civilians for their attack and not do anything? Seriously what's your suggestion besides staying in your childish black and white thinking of optimal solutions.

Civilian casualties are absolutely horrible but imho those are 100% Hamas fault for using them as meat shields and creating the necessity for a response by what they did to those victims of their attack.

I know Palestine people don't really have a choice since there were no elections in a long time so they are the biggest victims of this but imho putting the blame on Israel is just making it far too easy.

[–] shrugal@lemm.ee 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Ofc I don't have a solution, it would be ridiculous to claim that I did. But that doesn't change the fact that genocide is not a solution either. It's not like anything goes if no one has a perfect idea, and mass murdering civilians is pretty much the last thing on the list. It's the one thing that should be avoided at all costs imo.

[–] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This does sound like the only option you give to Israel is to be demolished. Since you seem to agree no military action can be used against terrorist groups since it will always result in people dieing, the only other option is for Israel to leave. (Where to, btw?)

[–] shrugal@lemm.ee 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Israel is not leaving or being demolished, what are you talking about?!

[–] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The majority of Palestinians, Hamas and other groups in Palestine are against a two-state-solution. Their goal is to have Israel gone. While the international community can likely pressure Israel into stopping to attack Gaza, how do you suggest they stop the terrorist attacks on Israel from Gaza?

[–] shrugal@lemm.ee 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I know, that doesn't mean Israel is going away. They are the more powerful of the two by a big margin and they have very strong international support, they will be just fine. Imo it is their job to prevent as many attacks as possible, endure the rest and keep working towards a peaceful solution. I know this is hard, but Israel is easily strong enough to do that, and the alternative is infinitely worse.

[–] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

How do you suggest they get back the people currently kidnapped in Gaza? How are they supposed to protect themselves from suicide bombers? Or are these the things you say they should "just take"?

What you want (Israel just taking the attacks and try to defend themselves) is what people want to abolish who chant "Free Palestine". Because they want open borders for Palestinians and no retaliation against Hamas which is the situation they had in the past. Which lead to more attacks and deaths.

I feel a lot of people don't really know an awful lot about Palestine and how it is ruled. There are several groups in Palestine, especially Gaza, who enforce Sharia law, for example. Women are heavily oppressed, LGBTQ rights are non existent. There were several attacks in Palestine from Palestinians against other Palestinians in a crusade to enforce Islamism.

They idea that the multiple extremist groups in Palestine will just peacefully sit by while in Israel you have everything they find despicable, on land they see as holy, is more than naive. You are asking for a constant of terror for both sides.

[–] anteaters@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago

no answers, only downvotes lol

Users don't want to openly admit they want Israel to just die and disappear.