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I am not a fan because they install all that WINE stuff on the system level which is a huge security degradation.
Running WINE through Bottles with the latest protonGE through PupGUI works on all distros.
If they removed that I would consider it.
Also they remove Firefox and Flatpak Firefox can only use seccomp filters, not sandboxes, which less secure. And due to an rpm-ostree issue those removed packages are never reinstallable.
If you need RPM Firefox, my recommendation is that you install it with Distrobox. This also solves the security issue that we remove upstream Firefox over - update frequency.
You don't want Firefox to only update when your operating system image does. As far as I'm concerned the bug preventing Firefox from being re-added is a feature.
No that is definetly a bug, as it spits out strange error messages.
I dont think Firefox running through Podman in rootless mode can create user namespaces? But not sure, will check that.
I have auto updates enabled and I reboot daily. This is not an issue especially on ublue where they are on by default.
We build twice a week, that's not frequent enough for a web browser.
Ultimately it's saving you from yourself, if this bug gets fixed and there's a way I can unfix it, I will do so.
Oh okay, didnt know Bazzite builds slower than the other images.
Instead of blocking users, education is the way better option. Flatpak Firefox does not have user namespace sandbox support, which is a pretty big deal.
I disagree with this. Sure, it could be made more secure, but Wine, on it's own isn't, any greater security risk compared to any other scripting runtime such as say Python, which is also installed at the system level. Ultimately it's up to the user to get their executables from trustworthy sources - and whether it's a random bash script or an exe, doesn't really make a difference.
As for Firefox, if you're truly concerned about security then you wouldn't be using it in the first place, you'd be using Librewolf, which you can install without any issues.
Haven't you heard? Anything that isn't flatpak is completely insecure and will end in your computer being hacked. It will also break the next time you update your computer.
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Dont know where you get your games from 😉🐧☠️
I guess random Windows programs are even safer as they may not really work on the host OS.
But still, Bottles is top tier, it works great and is perfectly packaged as a flatpak (no permissions, portal use etc) and pupgui allows to use the latest protonge.
To Librewolf, that is hosted on their own repo, using their own build system. So it could be considered as less trusted than upstream firefox managed by fedora, especially in terms of timely updates. You could also use the Firefox binary, which is very quick (did a benchmark) but you need to do the desktop entry yourself.
Also Librewolf is not security hardened afaik, maybe a few checks are also for security but it should be the same as Firefox. It is privacy optimized. Disadvantage here again is, that if you need a vanilla profile for shitty websites etc, that doesnt exist.
Should you post those concerns into their github? Maybe they don't know?
I think they know both, and the rpm-ostree issue is reported.