So you're saying that Obama and Biden each caused more deaths than Stalin? You have gone off the deep end friend, they may be bad but they ain't that bad.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

Obama absolutely. Destabilizing the entire globe , murdering millions and ovethrowing their countries governments to install puppets is an art to behold. Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Africa, South America and much more. Stalin only did war crimes in Russia, he didn't have nearly the same population number to oppress.

Like I said before, being so brainwashed that you don't know about their war crimes doesn't make them disappear.

[–] yuri@pawb.social 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Oh yeah, fuck, I forgot about that time Obama destabilized the entire globe. That was a crazy summer!

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

I did not realize I was the only person allowed to google stuff. Are you guys all under CIA surveillance or something?

https://www.quora.com/How-many-new-wars-did-Barack-Obama-start-in-the-Middle-East

Nobel Peace Prize Winner, Barak Obama’s diplomacy record was no better than Bush’s failed diplomacy. Obama inherited the Afghanistan and Iraq Wars, and although he publicly spoke out against the Iraq invasion in October 2002, Obama kept the American military engaged in both countries – there were drawdowns without closure. Obama also inserted the US military, typically often special operations forces, into conflicts throughout the globe including: the al-Qaeda insurgency in Yemen (2010); military strikes on suspected al-Qaeda, al-Shabaab, and ISIS positions in Yemen (2011); military intervention in Libya: Operation Odyssey Dawn (2011); strikes on al-Shabaab militants begin in Somalia (2011); Uganda: support Uganda against the Lord’s Resistance Army (2011); troops deployed to Jordan to help it contain the Syrian Civil War (2012); soldiers and Patriot missiles sent to Turkey (2012); assisted the French in Mali (2013); USAF supported the French in Somalia (2013); special operations raids in Somalia and Libya (2013); increased military members sent to Uganda (2014); intervention in Iraq to support Iraqi and Kurdish fighters (2014); airstrikes against Islamic State of Iraq & Syria (ISIS), a.k.a. Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL), aligned forces throughout northern Iraq (2014); failed rescue mission in Syria (2014); increased intervention in Syria, and bombing of ISIS positions in Syria (2014); airstrikes on al-Qaeda, al-Nusra Front & Khorasan positions (2014); continuous attacks on ISIS/ISIL & al-Nusra Front positions in both Iraq and Syria (2014); raids in Yemen against al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP) (2014); USN ships were sent to the Strait of Hormuz in response to Iran; U.S. military troops sent to Cameroon to provide support to local forces (2015) (CRS, 2020). The most-reported engagements included US attacks against ISIS/ISIL, and to a lesser extent Obama’s military support of the Nigerian army against Boko Haram, support of Uganda against the Lord’s Resistance Army, as well as combat soldiers supporting the Philippines against Abu Sayyaf, an Islamic State affiliate, and other Qaeda-linked militants (CRS, 2022; Wikipedia, 2022).

[–] Rinox@feddit.it 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Quora ahahahah

Also a whole block of text all to say he fought against ISIS and al-Qaeda. I wonder who else fought against them... Oh yeah, Russia, Turkey, Iraq, Syria and pretty much every other country they came in contact with.

Now that they are mostly gone, the Levant is more stable. I wonder if he helped stabilize or destabilize the region...

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I wonder why ISIS exists. Oh yeah because America overthrew the government that was in place and left a massive power vacuum so they could get cheap oil.

[–] Rinox@feddit.it 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

And that was when, pray tell?

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

Whenever America overthrew a government.

Go look up when ISIS started getting foot in Libya and when Obama assassinated Gadaffi.

[–] yuri@pawb.social 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

You said “the entire globe”, not “the middle east”

Thanks for linking me a Quora answer though, that’s where I get all my news!

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -2 points 3 months ago

Yeah we didn't even get into Africa and South America yet.

[–] Rinox@feddit.it 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

What in the what?

After the Soviet Union dissolved, evidence from the Soviet archives was declassified and researchers were allowed to study it. This contained official records of 799,455 executions (1921–1953),[8] around 1.7 million deaths in the Gulag,[9][10] some 390,000[11] deaths during the dekulakization forced resettlement, and up to 400,000 deaths of persons deported during the 1940s,[12] with a total of about 3.3 million officially recorded victims in these categories. [Also] the deaths of at least 5.5 to 6.5 million[14] persons in the Soviet famine of 1932–1933 (known in Ukraine as Holodomor).

This from the official Soviet records only and only in the Soviet Union. Real numbers are probably higher. Winter War death toll not included. War crimes and civilian casualties by the Red Army during the march on Berlin also not counted.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Stalin gets credited for like 1.5mil not 8 mil.

War crimes and civilian casualties by the Red Army during the march on Berlin also not counted.

Hahaha what the hell is this line are you defending the Nazis now?

[–] Rinox@feddit.it 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I'm talking about the murders and mass rapes that happened in Nazi occupied countries after the arrival of the Red army. Go ask the Baltic states, the Polish, the Hungarians, the Romanians etc.

Also that number is just the "confirmed and directly attributable" deaths caused by Stalin in just the Soviet union. The real.number of death caused directly or indirectly by him is sooo much higher

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yes and you have clearly done exactly zero research into the crimes of American presidents because the number of people they have directly and indirectly killed is far far higher.

[–] Rinox@feddit.it 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Still no sauce

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -2 points 3 months ago

You got plenty of examples listed above go research their casualties.