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[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 52 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

It's not what every snap user wants. It's just that garbage products are calorie dense and need little to no preparation, and those things absolutely matter when working several jobs or being homeless and convincing someone to let you use their address because a permanent address is necessary.

[–] gibmiser@lemmy.world 34 points 15 hours ago (6 children)

More calories per dollar for things like rice beans pasta. It's a bit more complicated than that.

Convenience is king when you are constantly burned out and sleep deprived and "just need something good enough and easy"

[–] futatorius@lemm.ee 0 points 47 minutes ago

Having been in that situation, the time savings from eating crap is not that significant. It's more about having a non-chaotic home life.

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 39 points 15 hours ago (5 children)

Fucking hell, have you ever tried to live on rice and beans? You need half a dozen spices and salt just to make it taste like not sadness, plus prep time, prep space, prep bowls and pots, and then you need to wash everything. Compared with a frozen meal that cooks in the microwave and a disposable tray for serving, there's really no contest. A "rice and beans" lifestyle requires a stay-at-home partner who soaks beans and washes dishes.

It's a great frugal tip to stretch your grocery dollars, but if you're poor, it's not a moral failing to go with a cheap frozen meal.

[–] futatorius@lemm.ee 1 points 18 minutes ago

Fucking hell, have you ever tried to live on rice and beans?

Tried and succeeded.

You need half a dozen spices and salt

Cumin, onions, garlic, salt, maybe some chili powder or a chili pepper. None of those cost much. The occasional fresh tomato can also be useful and is not expensive.

prep time

Elapsed time: can be a few hours if you soak the beans (you don't have to for refrieds). Actual time engaged in the cooking: a few minutes.

prep bowls and pots

A pot or skillet to cook the rice in (I'd usually make Mexican rice), and another for the beans. Or you can tag-team them. You need a semi-decent knife. A steamer is very useful; otherwise you can stir-fry things.

and then you need to wash everything

Ten minutes effort, maybe less. I can do all the dishes for our current household of four adults in 15 minutes.

Compared with a frozen meal that cooks in the microwave and a disposable tray for serving, there’s really no contest.

That requires a microwave. And you can also cook from scratch using a microwave. But you can also do subsistence cooking from scratch on nothing but a shitty two-burner stove.

A “rice and beans” lifestyle requires a stay-at-home partner who soaks beans and washes dishes.

That's not true. It requires some minimal forethought and half an hour of actual effort. And if you make bigger batches (and have enough room in the fridge to store the leftovers), you don't need to do it every day.

it’s not a moral failing to go with a cheap frozen meal

Not at all, but ready-made frozen meals are seldom cheap. The more the processing, generally the higher the cost. Frozen ingredients, on the other hand, can be cheap-- that is, if you have a freezer. Lots of people don't. I didn't when I was poor, I just had access to a shared fridge. Luckily I lived near a food co-operative that had cheap fresh fruit and veg (many of which don't actually need to be refrigerated).

[–] jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

You can make a relatively tasty rice with beans with canned beans and bit of salt in 10 minutes - if you are feeling fancy adding parsley will even move it to tasting good. I'm starting to suspect all the corn syrup is damaging american's taste buds beyond repair.

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 6 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Two things, canned beans and instant rice cost more than dry bulk rice and beans. And your recipe for "salt and parsley instant rice and canned beans" sounds like it's going to taste like sadness.

[–] pulido@lemmings.world 1 points 5 hours ago

This guy frugals.

[–] pulido@lemmings.world 0 points 5 hours ago

but if you’re poor, it’s not a moral failing to go with a cheap frozen meal.

Agreed. HOWEVER, we should be educating people and coming up with new ways to eat cheap, quick, and healthy.

Use your ovens, folks. Food like bacon and bratwurst turn out great in the oven and you don't have to babysit them, either.

[–] distantsounds@lemmy.world 12 points 14 hours ago (3 children)

I wish more people understood this. Beans are so good, but only if you can devote hours to them.

[–] futatorius@lemm.ee 1 points 9 minutes ago

You might need to soak them (though there are some recipes that don't require it), but during that time, you are not required to stand over them watchfully to make sure no bean escapes. When you cook them, that takes about an hour. And after the first 10 minutes of prep and cooking, you only have to keep an infrequent eye on them.

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 12 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

It's just one of the myriad of recommendations people make because they don't understand the problem. People think that the simple trick that worked for them would solve similar problems for everyone. Worse, they get angry when their advice is met with resistance. It's like Napoleon feeding the alpacas.

[–] futatorius@lemm.ee 1 points 5 minutes ago

It’s like Napoleon feeding the alpacas.

There's good eatin' on them alpacas.

[–] dephyre@lemmy.world 6 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

I know this outside of the scope of the discussion, but you can cook dried beans in a instant pot in about an hour.

Obviously that's still going to be a struggle for anyone where time/space/equipment are a huge factor. But it's a big difference from letting them soak overnight.

[–] distantsounds@lemmy.world 5 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

Insta pot can help, but I don’t feel it add much value in the overall cook. Sautéing, caramelizing, deglazing, etc. takes time that no home-use kitchen gadget is going to help with. Soaking beans overnight is not the problem, as much as actual time it takes to make a meal. Planning, purchasing ingredients, prepping, cooking, cleaning…insta-pot is not worth the hype iykyk

[–] iopq@lemmy.world -1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I lived on easy hamburger helper. Everything is in the package, just cook some ground beef in a pan and mix the rest of the stuff in.

It's not that hard, guys. You don't need to eat candy to survive

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 4 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

That shit is full of sodium and really bad for you. Once they target sugar, what do you suppose is next?

[–] iopq@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Sodium is at least required for you to live. You can have 0 grams of sugar and be perfectly healthy

Yeah, I'd say the bigger issue is low income people not having time to cook, and/or not having the ability to get to a decent grocery store.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 11 points 15 hours ago

You might also be living on the street or in a car and not have the means to actually cook.

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 8 points 15 hours ago

I'd also like to see how he addresses food deserts. I already saw an article suggesting 18-65 are going to lose benefits.

[–] TheWeirdestCunt@lemm.ee 5 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

You're assuming that people have the time and space to prep rice, beans and pasta. Not everyone does.

[–] iopq@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

I think if we remove the cooked food restriction it would make sense

[–] justOnePersistentKbinPlease@fedia.io 3 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Eh, can you get a bag of equivalent volume of apples for the same as a bottle of coca cola?

Same amount of sugar, one is considerably healthier.

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 4 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

IDC about soda, although it's probably less harmful than water in certain areas.

Apples. Food deserts. I've never seen an apple at any of the dollar stores.

[–] fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net 4 points 12 hours ago

And consuming how expensive cars are I don't want to hear people say "food deserts doesn't exist because you can drive 10 Miles"

[–] iopq@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

Soda is made from municipal water. If the tap water has an issue, so will the soda

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Afaik you can't buy tap soda on benefits, only sealed containers.

[–] iopq@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

The sealed containers are made from tap water too