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i wonder what y'all have to say about this

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[–] HalfSalesman@lemm.ee 1 points 2 days ago

I know there is satisfaction from self improvement. I do that and compare myself to others both. I can't help it.

Without at least some sacrifices to society, society ceases to to be. So the choice is some sacrifice vs living in a lawless hellscape.

If you mean the metaphysical injustice you’ve described earlier as having to simply exist and responsible for procuring your own food and shelter, sure. That’s life. Death is the only escape from life.

Sure, but atm society is built around leaning into that individual's sacrifice for the sake of... just bolstering humanity as a whole. That's not really for any one individual within humanity as a result it doesn't truly benefit us like it ought to IMO.

I think given the level of technological level we are at, we should be working far less for the exact same comforts and progress. We aren't largely because of a culture of self sacrifice and a imposed expectation of that sacrifice on others.

Is there a consensual birth option I’m not familiar with?

I mean, no obviously. That's sort of my point.

If that’s where you’re going, its far less metaphysical in my thinking of it. We are simply self-aware collections of atoms. There’s no feeling that drove this existence. Simply evolution at work to have us arrive at where we are today. Proteins fold, amino acids coalesse, and an uncountable versions of that eventually gave rise to us.

Yes, we are a cosmic accident. That means that there is no greater purpose we serve by suffering as individuals and I don't think building a "greater" human civilization justifies individual suffering.

The closest I think is justified is to work simply to make life easier, safer, and more pleasurable. But we're beyond that, now we work because work brings you closer to god, or will bring about a grand society, or with bring pride to your nation, or because you must prove yourself, etc. Shit that doesn't mean anything.