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13th century vs 21st century (lemmy.ml)
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[–] stinky@redlemmy.com 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

This is a bit dramatized especially with “fucking children”. I'd like to see sources to back up such emotional claims, especially the chest-thumping parts eg. “Not own their children”. Families lived together and children weren't treated like chattel. You exaggerated here. "Nearly half of your working days" is an overstatement and labor obligations were typically 2–3 days a week plus extra during harvest (boon days). So, about one-third of workdays, not half. Enclosing timing and large-scale commons stripping were much more severe in the 15th–16th centuries than the 14th. While some pressures started in the late 13th, it wasn't yet widespread. Seems like you've got a strong opinion but flimsy research to back it up. I can see why you had to be pressured to write a complete response. Have a day.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

This is a bit dramatized especially with “fucking children”. I’d like to see sources to back up such emotional claims, especially the chest-thumping parts eg. “Not own their children”. Families lived together and children weren’t treated like chattel. You exaggerated here.

"They weren't chattel slaves, their children were just bound to lord and land in perpetuity"

Cool cool cool

“Nearly half of your working days” is an overstatement and labor obligations were typically 2–3 days a week plus extra during harvest (boon days).

Sunday off, at least pro forma.

Would you like to remind me what percentage 3 is of 6.

Enclosing timing and large-scale commons stripping were much more severe in the 15th–16th centuries than the 14th. While some pressures started in the late 13th, it wasn’t yet widespread.

"It was more severe later" doesn't at all modify the point.

I can see why you had to be pressured to write a complete response.

I can see why you didn't address the vast majority of my points, and why the points you did address, you did so without strong arguments.