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[–] redfox@infosec.pub 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I actually appreciate these verses regardless of intentions, because I agree completely with the implied point.

In the new testament, God was only hard on the religious elite, who always missed the point. He cut everyone else a lot of slack.

The idea that government should hold citizens to the same standards as a religion they don't believe in seems insane, and also runs contrary to Jesus teaching or actual Christianity.

[–] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

In the new testament, God was only hard on the religious elite, who always missed the point.

Absolutely correct! The Pharisees were Jesus' perennial sparring partners on that front, and Jesus had very few kind words to say about them.

As far as not holding people to personal standards, that's explicitly in the Bible, too. Peter at the Council of Jerusalem, Acts 15:10 (talking to some Pharisees who infiltrated the Church, incidentally):

"Why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear?"

And the "test God" language here is especially notable, because most of the times that shows up in the Bible, it's the Devil himself doing it. This language isn't ever used about Thomas's doubts. It's an expression of deep distrust in God's ability or goodness, particularly by people who should know better (or at least who would know better if they were who they claim to be); an identification that the person doing the testing is just doing it for personal gain, not for their own faith or edification; and an unwillingness to change their mind in the face of evidence.

Sound familiar?

People literally died in the New Testament for testing God like this. That's the game they're playing here. They're playing the parts of the Pharisees to a T.

[–] redfox@infosec.pub 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I would like for some of the prominent church leaders to speak about that. Even if they don't publicly contest it, though that should be considered, they could at least speak to congregations about it.

Coincidentally, one of, or the (I don't know) paster for the North view church gave a somewhat similar message along with the typical hope in Jesus Easter message.

He played that news caster who was ranting about "I don't care about your Christian religion". Maybe I can edit with a link, but my favorite part was the paster expression agreement with her. She was loud and angry, but there must be a reason or a very bad experience with people claiming the name, but I agree with her.

All this seems too similar to the religious freedom act that felt more like bigotry than freedom. I'm a pretty garbage or luke warm follower, but I detest bigotry under the banner of the church. I still believe that the two are not the same thing when done correctly.

Also, thanks for the actual references and apparent understanding, rather than just unbridled hate.

Edit, video was Ana Kasparian. I think it was largely about abortion, but still relevant.

[–] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Some are. But yes, I want to see more.