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The US government was pieced together by high-minded individuals who had an inflated sense of importance.

True that. Almost no one in history is a super-great person. A couple of them are. Mostly, they're just people, with all the ridiculousness and depravity that goes along with that mantle.

That’s why it took 100 years for people of color to be considered human, and 150 years for women to get a voice.

Kind of. The US, among its other numerous flaws, was one of the last countries in the world to outlaw slavery, although it was far from the first to build an economy on it.

On the other hand, the kind of voice the women didn't get, nobody got in most other countries at the time, aside from a handful of assholes who were much worse than the founding fathers.

It was decent for what it was, but it’s also 250 years out of date, and piled on with 250 years of bloat.

I don't know man. Partly. The people involved would be baffled and horrified at what's come of their creation, I think. But, at the same time, a lot of the underlying problems that are fucking it up are underlying problems with people.

Basically, I think for the most part, people get the quality of government they deserve, in the long term, because their government will be as good as they enforce it to be through struggle, or as bad as they let it get without starting to fight to fix it.

You also can’t just have one position, you have to work to limit the works of narcissistic power mongers… but you also have to work to support the people. It’s never just one or the other, it’s both. And a thousand other things. There’s no one thing or another that defines “proper government”. That’s high-minded thinking.

Yeah, agreed. This is, I think, pretty much 100% exactly what I was saying.