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[–] BenLeMan@lemmy.world 26 points 4 months ago (7 children)

And still I maintain that "alot" is not a word.

[–] Pulptastic@midwest.social 21 points 4 months ago (2 children)
[–] BenLeMan@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Mine, too! I hope Allie is doing well these days.

[–] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 3 points 4 months ago

She made a reddit comment a couple months ago

https://old.reddit.com/user/OtherTubemonster/

[–] Zoot@reddthat.com 2 points 4 months ago

God i love alot

[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 14 points 4 months ago (6 children)

I've noticed a tendency of people to combine words that are frequently seen together: "alot", "aswell", "noone", etc.

Some of these catch on, like "nevertheless" and "whatsoever". Maybe eventually "alot" and "noone" will become standard English, too.

[–] DillyDaily@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago

The way alot, aswell and noone are combining is expected given how many other words we don't bat an eye at went the same way. "another" is the perfect example, it's just "an other" combined.

It's sort of the reverse of what happened to words like apron and newt.

The division and bracketing of phrases changes over time.

"An apron" is the modern usage of the word "napron", and a newt was originally called an eute. The grammatical need for "a" and/or "an" resulted in the root word being rebracketed and changed.

[–] TheBat@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

"Apart" and "a part" are opposites, though. If you're a part of something, you can't be apart from it.

[–] TheBat@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

Yes, and increasing number of people are using the former to mean latter.

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

it's all just made up. you can see old writings without spacing. or punctuation. you can't even define what's really a word universally. people just decided what's what and standardized it at one point just for some consistency. that doesn't mean things won't change; they most definitely will.

[–] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I recall "noone" being taught as acceptable by my english teacher back in 2004. That being said, she's also said some things that ended up being very wrong

[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 4 points 4 months ago

Whenever someone says “Noone wanted this” I always picture a big Irishman who has a deep appreciation for stuff Internet people are against.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

I always imagine Peter Noone of Herman's Hermits whenever someone does that.

"Noone thinks I have a lovely daughter." Yes, Mrs. Brown. Noone does.

[–] vonxylofon@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

No body writes noone as one word because there's a similar word written that way.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 2 points 4 months ago

I feel like that sort of misses the point. That really has to do with how we transcribe verbal speech into written. "A lot" is absolutely a phrase, I don't imagine you'd disagree with that.

[–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Frankly this wouldn’t be a problem if it weren’t for “another”

[–] psud@aussie.zone 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Which some who use "alot" consider as two words.

[–] ytg@sopuli.xyz 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

That has to do with the definition of what a word even is (an open problem!). "Alot" is clearly made up of two separate units, but so is "anyway". I think a lot of people don't like this one because it's simply unnecessary. You need "anyway" to show that the two words are not stressed separately, but treated as one unit, whereas with "a lot" this is already obvious ("a" is almost never stressed).
Also has to do with English spelling just being bad, generally.

[–] Squirrel@thelemmy.club 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I think spellings and punctuation are still valid. Mostly. Ignore variations between English and Americanese.

[–] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

In not the Americans' fault that the English decided to butcher their own language after the US kicked them out

[–] psud@aussie.zone 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

England and all its former colonies (except the American ones) agree on the language, and the only odd one out - the United States feels it is unique among former colonies and its parent nation as the sole owner of the most correct version of English.

Seems likely /s

[–] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 months ago

I know this is all a joke, but Canada doesn't share the UK's... proclivities with language