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[–] BenLeMan@lemmy.world 26 points 2 months ago (7 children)

And still I maintain that "alot" is not a word.

[–] Pulptastic@midwest.social 21 points 1 month ago (2 children)
[–] BenLeMan@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Mine, too! I hope Allie is doing well these days.

[–] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 month ago

She made a reddit comment a couple months ago

https://old.reddit.com/user/OtherTubemonster/

[–] Zoot@reddthat.com 2 points 1 month ago

God i love alot

[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 month ago (6 children)

I've noticed a tendency of people to combine words that are frequently seen together: "alot", "aswell", "noone", etc.

Some of these catch on, like "nevertheless" and "whatsoever". Maybe eventually "alot" and "noone" will become standard English, too.

[–] DillyDaily@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

The way alot, aswell and noone are combining is expected given how many other words we don't bat an eye at went the same way. "another" is the perfect example, it's just "an other" combined.

It's sort of the reverse of what happened to words like apron and newt.

The division and bracketing of phrases changes over time.

"An apron" is the modern usage of the word "napron", and a newt was originally called an eute. The grammatical need for "a" and/or "an" resulted in the root word being rebracketed and changed.

[–] TheBat@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

"Apart" and "a part" are opposites, though. If you're a part of something, you can't be apart from it.

[–] TheBat@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Yes, and increasing number of people are using the former to mean latter.

[–] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I recall "noone" being taught as acceptable by my english teacher back in 2004. That being said, she's also said some things that ended up being very wrong

[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 4 points 1 month ago

Whenever someone says “Noone wanted this” I always picture a big Irishman who has a deep appreciation for stuff Internet people are against.

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

it's all just made up. you can see old writings without spacing. or punctuation. you can't even define what's really a word universally. people just decided what's what and standardized it at one point just for some consistency. that doesn't mean things won't change; they most definitely will.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

I always imagine Peter Noone of Herman's Hermits whenever someone does that.

"Noone thinks I have a lovely daughter." Yes, Mrs. Brown. Noone does.

[–] vonxylofon@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

No body writes noone as one word because there's a similar word written that way.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 2 points 1 month ago

I feel like that sort of misses the point. That really has to do with how we transcribe verbal speech into written. "A lot" is absolutely a phrase, I don't imagine you'd disagree with that.

[–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Frankly this wouldn’t be a problem if it weren’t for “another”

[–] psud@aussie.zone 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Which some who use "alot" consider as two words.

[–] Squirrel@thelemmy.club 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I think spellings and punctuation are still valid. Mostly. Ignore variations between English and Americanese.

[–] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

In not the Americans' fault that the English decided to butcher their own language after the US kicked them out

[–] psud@aussie.zone 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

England and all its former colonies (except the American ones) agree on the language, and the only odd one out - the United States feels it is unique among former colonies and its parent nation as the sole owner of the most correct version of English.

Seems likely /s

[–] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago

I know this is all a joke, but Canada doesn't share the UK's... proclivities with language

[–] ytg@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

That has to do with the definition of what a word even is (an open problem!). "Alot" is clearly made up of two separate units, but so is "anyway". I think a lot of people don't like this one because it's simply unnecessary. You need "anyway" to show that the two words are not stressed separately, but treated as one unit, whereas with "a lot" this is already obvious ("a" is almost never stressed).
Also has to do with English spelling just being bad, generally.