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[–] Martinphipps@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

conservative

adjective 1. averse to change or innovation and holding traditional values.

[–] LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

I already know that. I'm telling you that you're wrong, if we achieved communism, conservatism wouldn't become leftwing or progressive or non-traditional.

Is feudalism left wing? Is it progressive? If someone advocated for us returning to serfdom instead of capitalism, are they being progressive? Are they left wing?

Modern conservatism would look as ridiculous as advocating for feudalism in a capitalist society. If communism was achieved, there would be some other hypothetical political ideology that would be demanding progress, which would be the new left wing.

Which is good, we are meant to grow as a society.

[–] Martinphipps@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

You are an example of a failed education. Period.

[–] LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I think you're projecting. You can't even argue in good faith where I am "wrong."

[–] Martinphipps@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Do you even speak English? It's the people who want to keep things the way they are who are conservative and traditional.

[–] LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

I don't appreciate the verbal abuse. I obviously am speaking to you clearly.

people who want to keep things the way they are who are conservative and traditional.

Yes, OR they advocate for regression (aka Make America Great AGAIN), and in a future communist society, conservatives by today's standard would be advocating for things to regress. To today's standards. Which is like advocating for a return to feudalism by modern standards. How is this hard for you to understand?

Change itself is not inherently leftist. A change towards traditional or historical values (eg reversing Roe V Wade) isn't leftist or progressive; it's regressive. That's right wing.

If an Amish person ran for office and wanted us all to give up electricity and to return to life as it was in the 1600s, they would not be leftwing. They would be considered right wing conservative. Advocating for policies from the past makes you regressive and conservative, not progressive and leftist.

[–] Martinphipps@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

There's no OR here. I am talking about what the word means.

[–] LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

That IS what it means lmfao.

Do you think an Amish president would be leftwing if they demanded we return to 1600s technology and laws?

What if someone demanded we return to colonial times, is that left wing?

[–] Martinphipps@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

You are laughing while I am profoundly annoyed by your complete and utter ignorance. The fact is that the communists in Russia and China are regarded as conservatives. That is a fact that is known by educated people.

[–] LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Lol link a source then for this claim, since every educated person knows it

Communism (from Latin communis, 'common, universal')[1][2] is a left-wing to far-left sociopolitical, philosophical, and economic ideology within the socialist movement,[1] whose goal is the creation of a communist society, a socioeconomic order centered around common ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange that allocates products to everyone in the society based on need.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism

Did you see that? It's leftwing. Communism by definition is left wing.

[–] Martinphipps@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

But conservatism doesn't mean right wing. Conservatism means traditionalism. If your parents don't let you date until your 18 and say no sex before marriage we say they are conservative / traditional. It has nothing to do with any specific political ideology. It depends what is traditional in your country. You really missed out on a basic education.

[–] ASeriesOfPoorChoices@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

you are not speaking with anyone clearly.

[–] LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] ASeriesOfPoorChoices@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I don't appreciate the verbal abuse