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SPATA, Greece (AP) — In an olive grove on the outskirts of Athens, grower Konstantinos Markou pushes aside the shoots of new growth to reveal the stump of a tree — a roughly 150-year-old specimen, he said, that was among 15 cut down on his neighbor’s land by thieves eager to turn it into money.

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[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Are the thieves to blame or the system in which they live in that's full of social inequality? 🤔 Maybe it's not the person with the chainsaw that's killing their history.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

People may be driven to steal because of horrible circumstances... But they still choose what to steal.

If these guys were just knocking over a Target, I'd agree with you.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Kinda hard to steal in a target in a rural part of Greece 👍

[–] wildginger@lemmy.myserv.one 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Killing century old things isnt justified because youre rural 👍

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

Its practically tradition. People have been robbing antiquities from the Mediterranean for centuries.

[–] Salamendacious@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I think the people cutting down 150 year old tress are pretty clearly the ones to blame for cutting down 150 year old trees.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They wouldn't be cutting them if Greece didn't have a poverty rate of 20% and wasn't one of the poorest country in the European Union. We can blame them all we want, if we were faced with the choice between not stealing or eating we wouldn't be any better than them.

[–] fishos@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You're missing the point that they are cutting down the tree, giving them only one harvest from it, instead of just taking the olives and letting the tree live. The thieves are not only stealing the current harvest, but ensuring that there will be no more harvests. If you're gonna steal to survive, you don't burn everything to the ground in the process. It literally hurts themselves.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What about the people paying them to do it?

[–] Salamendacious@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's a tough one ... I think I'll go with they're all culpable.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Salamendacious@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What's the remedy when anyone steals anything?

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Depends who is doing the stealing and who is doing the fencing on their behalf.

[–] Salamendacious@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

The quality of your legal team and the number of friends you've got at the local PD / regulatory agencies.